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Cheers, Sam. ps. I know one of you will reply to this post...I will reply to that person and then that will be the last post I will make on this thread...I think to the relief of us all. I hope you'll enjoy this thread...please don't start a huge world war, but be prepared...I'll be back.
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07-07-2003, 10:50 AM | #186 | |
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Now I feel hypocritical.
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07-07-2003, 10:58 AM | #187 |
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Yes, the chimps know and understand what they're saying. They're not as good as we are at learning new words and they don't have our ability to speak, but they can still be thaught to communicate with signs. You could have conversations with a chimpanzee, which would not be possible if they weren't aware of language and just said "I need food" when they're hungry.
Even certain parrots can understand what they say! You can communicate with the smartest parrots and tell them what to do, and they'll do it! If parrots can be thaught to understand a language rather than just imitate it, chimps must be able understand languages too.
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07-07-2003, 11:12 AM | #188 |
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A question I developed while musing about SARS.
One speculation was that SARS was transmitted from civets captured and eaten in Guangdong (Canton). If you ever go to the market there, you'll see cages and cages of miserable animals and birds, many from endangered species, as well as tanks and buckets of slimy, scaly and multi-legged creatures that I can't even put a name to. People will eat just about anything in their environment (though as Sir Walter Raleigh noted, "it was a brave man that first ate an oyster")- I have eaten locusts in Africa, wasps in Taiwan, rats in China, and ants in Mexico, as well as nameless squirming sea creatures in many locations. So, how about the trilobite? One thing Evolutionist and Creationist alike can agree on is that there were a lot of trilobites. Whether you think they were one of nature's most successful body plans over millions of years, or whether you think God created them in such splendid design and varieties of species that they all promptly went extinct, the fossil record shows trilobites; lots and lots of trilobites. The fossil record also shows abundant numbers of brachiopods and ammonites, marine molluscs. From very early human history there has been a relationship between humans and marine molluscs and arthropods which can be summarized as "yum, yum , yum". Clams, mussels, oysters, squid, octopus; lobsters,crabs, shrimp, prawns.... So how come, while we find all these abundantly in the garbage pits of primitive shore-dwelling communities, we don't find any trilobites? Not boiled, not roasted, not baked- no trilobites. No ammonites, no brachiopods.... For that matter, we never find ANY of what we evolutionists would call ancient species in human middens. No armoured fish skeletons, no dimetrodons, no seymourias, no dinosaurs of any kind, even the ubiquitous (and tiny) Compsagnothus- no charred remnants, no bones cracked for marrow. None of the early birds or mammals, either- in fact, the ONLY remains of animals and plants found with humans are those from the late Pliocene , Pliestocene and Recent Epochs. While we have abundant evidence of human hunting and utilizing more recent animals- stone spear points in mammoths, signs of worked bones etc., there is NO repeat NO evidence of human exploitation of earlier life forms. So what gives? Did those people have stricter codes than Leviticus? "Thou shalt not eat of the trilobite, or of the brachiopod; yea, the Dinosauria shall also be unclean, and thy wives shalt not adorn themselves with the feathers of the Archaeopteryx, for that is an abomination unto the Lord"
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07-07-2003, 11:17 AM | #189 |
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As for non-homan language users, I think the experiments with chimps and gorillas are greatly overstated.
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07-07-2003, 11:19 AM | #190 |
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GrayMouser, that was a great point you made.
Scientists haven't found any ancient animal species in pre-historic human settlements. It would have been quite a shock if they had done that one day But I don't think we have to worry about that, it won't happen.
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07-07-2003, 11:26 AM | #191 |
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So the theory of Creationism says that because of the exquisite design of living organisms, it is impossible for them to have evolved under natural circumstances.
Their existence can only be explained by the actions of a super-intelligent Creator, who so carefully crafted them to live and flourish in His Creation that well over 99% of the species that He designed immediately became extinct . What kind of Intelligent Design is it where far fewer than 1% of the designs last a lousy couple of thousands of years?
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07-07-2003, 12:08 PM | #193 |
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i too have read the "case for christ". i enjoyed reading it, but it in no way delivered any concrete evidence or logical reasoning to make me believe there is a god, or that jesus was his son. the book is written as though the author went on a mission to prove that jesus was a myth and that while making this book he saw the light and was transformed. this is simply not true. lee strobel was a practicing christian by the time he began writing this book.
mr strobel also leads us to believe that he was a hard nosed skeptical journalist. well, if this were true, then wouldnt he include critics of christian apologists in his interviews? wouldnt it be more objective and effective for his case to provide both sides, then tell why he chose one side over the other? oh yeah, did i forget to mention that mr strobel is a pastor at Willow Creek Community Church, a church that has over 30,000 members. that would be a lot of people to let down if they actually found out the truth about their existence.
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07-07-2003, 01:51 PM | #194 |
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Gee! I didn't know all that. Shame on him! I really thought he was a hard nosed reporter awed and changed by it all! I hate it when people try to manipulate *information* to suit their agenda. I bought and read that book because I seek the truth, plain and simple, whatever it my be. I consider my lifetime very important (to me at least! ), and I want to base my decisions on how I lead my life, on truth. (Same as when I vote! It's hard to do! )
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07-07-2003, 02:31 PM | #195 |
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dont get me wrong, i think mr strobel believes in what he says. i also respect his opinion and his credentials. i just think that if he truely wantd to seek the truth then he would have presented both sides. Rian recommended the book to me several month's ago, and since i respect her opinion, i read it. its probably one of the better christian apologist books ive seen.
even though i dont agree with any of them.
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If I had known he was the pastor of a christian church with a membership of 30,000, (how can a church have so many members?) I would have veiwed his factual review a little more suspiciously. I feel duped!
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07-07-2003, 04:31 PM | #197 |
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Some questions: at what rate of development would you consider to be reasonable? Given the amount of inventions that HAVE occured over the last 200,000 years, would you expect these all to be instantly available to us the minute we developed our 1500cc brains? Last edited by Sheeana : 07-07-2003 at 04:58 PM. |
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Speaking of weapons, we didn't replace the bow and arrow until recently 18th century as a hunting weapon). No a bad invention to have such longevity through all that other inventing going on. Same with the fish hook, the fishing net, the sewing needle, the loom, pottery...
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