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I don't think that science is ever going to prove absolutaly for sure between evolutionism and creationism. Obviously complete proof is incomplete in both directions. That is where faith comes in again. A faith in something that we can't see, and can't prove with any tangible things. I can't prove it, but I can feel it to where I know that it is true without a doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he died for our sins. You can ask me how I feel it beyond a reasonable doubt. I can see the way in which Christianity has brought total change to people, myself included. Take the disciples for example. They turned from wimps to people willing to give their lives for their beliefs. There are just so many internal things, like prayers are answered in miraculous ways. I am not talking about vague things, but specific prayers answered for. Ask any practising Christian and they will tell you how effective prayer is. A large part of Christianity is the relationship between us and God. It woudn't be relationship if it was just a one way thing. God responds in ways that we can feel. It is a bit hard to describe to somebody that hasn't felt it, and it is differant in each person. I think I am starting to ramble, so I will just leave it at this. Myself or others can provide more as neccesary
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03-25-2002, 11:41 PM | #183 |
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Fine. Aliens created us. Happy?
Once again, why are you so determined to know everything? You cannot explain everything. You say all this is impossible - the belief of God alone is no more preposterous than of what we speak. Especially since he was just "always there". I'd like an explaination of that. Where'd he come from? Answer that, and you have my belief. Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 03-25-2002 at 11:43 PM. |
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Why can't the universerse have no true beginning or end??? You can NOT name the smallest number or the largest number - nor can you come up with the smallest decimal number between 0 and 1. All those things have no beginning or end.
Science supports evolution far more than it supports creationism. Just because a book says it - doesn't make it true. I think I will declare that the Silmarillion is my Bible again and worship Illúvatar. The Silmarillion is just as believable as the Bible.
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The difference between theists and non-theists. Non-theists look for the facts (changeable) and theists ask you to believe without facts (nonchangeable).
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The name creationism is a dead give away; it implies that it is a belief system (-ism). Evolution, as referred to by scientists is properly called the theory of evolution. If i suggested that creation was just a theory it would cast doubt the source of creationism's premise; the bible. So, if your willing to admit that the word of the bible is only one of many possibilities, then the "theory of creation" could be a candidate as a scientific discipline. Quote:
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Hey - after I read people quoting me - I realised I had misspealt Ilúvatars's name wrong - he only has one "l". I didn't want to get flamed for misspelling our god's name wrong.
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Now that i think about it, i don't remember anyone praying to Ilúvatar in JRRT work. Any experts? umm, you misspelled misspelled Ilúvatar lives!
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So I'm not doing too good on spelling today. I meant misspelt (which is interchangeable with misspelled).
But no - I don't think you have to kneel and pray. But I did hear Ilúvatar wants you to take all your first born children to a mountain top and declare your faith in him by sacrificing your child. If you have an only child - you get double points. Sorry if anyone finds this offensive - but just read the bible for additional examples.
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Of course people will find that offensive.
Please, everyone, ignore the above post. Please don't flame.
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Q: How many anti-theists posting here ever believed in god? Also, I don't want to see annymore references to Evolutionists; there is no church of evolution as far as i know. There are people who think the theory of evolution is a reasonable concept to attempt to explain the origin and diversity of life. Sorry to be nit picky but is's just annoying.
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I didn't flame - I was just stating something that is in the bible. The point thing was just a side item.
I was brought up believing in god - but I don't know if I ever truly believed. It was more the way I was raised. Then I started questioning things - and nothing made sense.
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Oh, and I went to Catholic school all my life - so I learned all about the bible. They all taught evolution though.
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Just in case Wayfarer is reading this, I've given up trying to spoon feed him some facts. Let him believe in his myths, and I'll go back to my nice warm comfortable facts.
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