05-17-2001, 12:18 PM | #1 |
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Was Orodreth a bad king?
Orodreth didn't seem like a very good king. He let Turin do whatever he wanted, like build the bridge and took his advice over Ulmo's.
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05-18-2001, 12:09 PM | #2 |
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Re: Was Orodreth a bad king?
More like a weak king, with a lack of force of personality.
Or more likely Turin had won over most of the young hotheads in Nargothrond. Finrod was long gone, most of the older lords probably were lost at Dagor Bragollach (Finrod barely escaped from that). It's like a President trying to work with an unruly Congress. Worse, he was appointed regent until Finrod returned, which may mean his claim to Lordship can be disputed. I'd have had Turin executed or exiled. |
06-24-2001, 12:18 AM | #3 |
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Re: Was Orodreth a bad king?
I definately have to agree that Orodreth was somewhat weak of will. I blame him and Turin for the sack of Nargothrond. Did it not come out later that Orodreth was not even Finrod's brother, but his nephew? But even after that he still would be the one to take Finrod's throne. Pity.
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06-24-2001, 04:08 AM | #4 | ||
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Re: Was Orodreth a bad king?
It didn't exactly 'come out' like a secret long hidden, Tolkien changed the idea. The info. is in The parentage of Gil-Galad in the Shibboleth of Fëanor of The Peoples of Middle-earth [I omit a good part of it, that which precedes the following]:
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Angrod-------------------------Finrod I Artaher/Arothir [Orodreth] I Artanáro/Rodnor/Gil-galad The passage continues: Quote:
I include all this seemingly irrevelent stuff about Gil-galad because I thought someone would have asked curiously about the relationship of this passage to those of the published Silmarillion. By the way, do you think we could possibly get the italics smaller? I like someone to hurt their eyes trying to read my posts, |
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07-18-2001, 03:38 AM | #5 |
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Re: Was Orodreth a bad king?
Orodreth like all of the Noldor [w/ the possible exception of galadriel] was firmly enmeshed in the doom of the Noldor, w/ the added bonus of the curse on turin froim Morgoth so it is not so much a case of being a bad king I think but being dealt a hand that is doomed to lose.
HE 'should' have destroyed the bridge and not gone out to fight, but Turin's will and charisma and doom were overwhelming. |
07-19-2001, 06:58 PM | #6 |
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Re: Was Orodreth a bad king?
My old, old quote remains two months later? Wow, that's pretty cool
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