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My hypothesis is that the 9 were supposed to be used in defense, the 7 for craft and the 3 for beautifying and healing of the land. The fact that the weakest rings were for warfare and the strongest for healing, reflected the Mirdain's priorities. Quote:
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By the way, CAB, if you were right, and the nazgul had already lost their Rings to Sauron by TA 2000, then the phenomenon of the Morgul Vale was made without the presence of the Nine Rings. Sure the powers of the Nine rings seem to have passed into nazgul themselves to some extent... suggesting by the way that there was some spiritual component in them, coming both from Sauron and the Elves. Maybe over time, parts of the nazgul fëar passed into the Rings, being substituted by what was contained in the Rings from the start. Thus a bond was formed between a nazgul and his Ring, assuring a "primary control of his will" by Sauron (who held the Nine) and also keeping the wraith in ME, even after his body had been slain. Quote:
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I guess the crafting of the Three had drained Celebrimbor immensely. Originally he planned to wear the strongest Ring, where the largest part of his fea was contained, so he would be OK. But when he parted with the Three, there was but an empty shell left of him, virtually. I guess there was little left to rehouse when he finally came to Valinor - and maybe the remnants of his fea haunted Lorien and Rivendell throughout the Third Age. Quote:
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I must admit, thinking along these lines does make me start to wonder if all the seven and nine were intended only for the Mirdain (as we discussed earlier). Maybe Sauron's ultimate plans regarding the rings really was Elf vs Elf conflict. He was known to cause fighting among those who should have been united against him on other occasions. |
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But apart from the primary powers, I believe, all of the Great Rings had secondary, powers which we have been discussing. An example of one such secondary power of the One Ring was understanding of languages - likely mirrored in some (or all) of the 19. Fighting skills, shield for the wielder, knowledge of smith-craft, sense for hidden gold and jewels may be other secondary powers. Quote:
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Maybe the whole 9+7+3 scheme was not agreed upon from the start: the collaborators first made the 9 (a Ring for seven Mirdain + one for Celebrimbor + one for Annatar), then decided that they could now do better than that and made the other Rings. Each Mirdan under the supervision of Annatar made his own Ring (with a huge chunk of his soul) and Celebrimbor later made the Three all alone. As the Nine contained very little of Elvish souls, their possessors exchanged them for one of the Seven without much regrets. So did Celebrimbor - he took one of the Three. That's how the Nine were found unused in 1697. And the Dwarves who got the Rings were likely beset by Houseless fear of the previous owners... ![]() ![]() Quote:
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![]() But really, when Sauron puts a lot of his power and will (a great part of his fea) into a Ring, he becomes bound to it. Sure it has to be the same for Elves: the Seven Mirdain had to be bound to the Seven Rings in the same way as the ringless nazgul were bound to the Nine - unable to leave ME even after death. No wonder if they would devise some plan to free themselves. Being Houseless, they could have no real interaction with the physical world: couldn't attack the Dwarves themselves. So, pointing to a greedy Dragon a Dwarven hoard to plunder would be a brilliant idea. ![]() |
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Wonderful theory Gordis! Cirdain gift of Narya to Gandalf, Saurons great enemy, gets a deeper meaning with this perspective. Celebrimbors gift is turned into a weapon against his treacherous friend. I wonder if Cirdain might have known this?
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Thank you for your kind words, Vidugavia
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It looks like Narya helped Gandalf to become what Celebrimbor saw in Annatar, what he wanted Annatar to be: the kindler of hearts, the trusted advisor of the remaining Elves, the leader of resistance against Evil. |
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