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05-24-2006, 06:08 PM | #21 |
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nice intro and discusion points Telcontar_Dunedain. And i've got a question for you:
"Before it (gollum) stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice. 'Begone, and truble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom.'" i'm not sure whether it's been on other threads before, but is the voice the Ring manifesting its thoughts (esentually Sauron's) through Frodo, or is it Frodo's own thoughts enlarged by the wound and carrying it for over 20 years? Or is it Frodo reminding Gollum of the promice he made, "You swore a promise by what you call the Precious", but with more power because a) it's so near its place of making and b) Frodo is so weak that the Ring is essentually thinking that if Frodo can getrid of Gollum, he can make his own way to Sauron without being interupted. And what is the significance of white in this particular section? p.s hope that made sense.
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But it's an interesting idea you bring up. Did the Ring influence Gollum to fall because he had broken the very promise he had sworn on it? If so, the Ring procured its own demise. This would seem to indicate that the Ring is capable of some pre-defined actions, like influencing people and furfilling statements of its bearer, (a bit like a programmed computer) but not with thinking such things through.
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Well, the defining bits are no longer quite visible, are they?
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12-13-2007, 07:52 PM | #25 |
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Visible enough to call us ... at least "they".
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