02-13-2007, 01:40 PM | #1 |
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the waters of cuivienen
this portion of tolkien's history is quite possibly my favorite; i suppose since so little is known of it, but it was presumably a long period of time that the elves resided here. i have been reading through 'the shaping of middle earth', and i still cannot place where the inland sea of helcar would have been. i understand that the surface and shape of the world was altered numerous times after the elves awoke, but even tolkien's diagrams seem to conflict. it appears to have occupied a large area just over the blue mountains originally, which would seem to have placed it in the better known NW middle earth of the third age. any ideas, insight? i am also intrigued by how perhaps an oblique reference is made to perhaps the elves longing for their place of awakening, when tolkien says, 'to cuivienen there is no returning'. that statement automatically makes it a place i want to go to.
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02-13-2007, 05:07 PM | #2 |
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try looking here: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp Go to 'C', and then it's near the bottom of the last column.
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03-10-2007, 09:29 PM | #3 |
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03-11-2007, 12:30 AM | #4 |
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Ted Nasmith is a wonderful artist.
All his paintings are so detailed, taking a broader view of vicinities. Here is another version of the lake. Lake Cuivienen
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03-11-2007, 02:37 AM | #5 |
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Not trying to bust your bubble, but the link Jon S put on there looks to me like a pack of confused ancient Egyptians picked up and set down in the Great Lakes. I do agree that his sky is beautifully done and he is a very capable artist, and I do grant that different people percieve things in their imaginations differently, but his subject materiel is odd. I do not know how much physical description is givven in the books, so I may not be a fair judge. (<:What book is that in anyway?:>) Do they ever mention Gimli again at the end of the 3rd book? Do all the hobbits die? Don't answer the second question, but I think Pippin already has. He doesn't make it completely clear though, he doesn't just come out and say like the boring history teachers at school that I sleep through (not really, but once) Peregrin Took died at the battle of forgot... the one at Sauron's gate. (EXcept the teachers know the name of the battle because they have the book sitting in front of them.)
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