09-13-2006, 03:54 PM | #1 |
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how exactly did.....
the vala go about storming Utumno and Angband in the first battle of powers?
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09-13-2006, 03:59 PM | #2 |
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probally the same way as the war of wrath.......exept they don't have to worry about elves.
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09-13-2006, 05:17 PM | #3 |
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i know but in the first battle of powers....like was it just the vala or did they have some sort of army....if so what kind of army?
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09-13-2006, 05:20 PM | #4 |
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From the sounds of it, it was just the valar.
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09-13-2006, 08:11 PM | #5 |
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ok but i dont understand how the physically overthrew Utumno(sp). Did they use swords and bows? Or did they somehow use there powers, if they used their powers, can anyone give me an example?
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Magic? There’s no information about this as far as I know: there is no “real” Middle-earth, only what Tolkien wrote. I think what he said about it is in synoptic form in The Silmarillion, “Of the Coming of the Elves”: Quote:
The Ered Engrin, the Iron Mountains in the north of Middle-earth, were originally the “fence” of Utumno. In the northwest of Middle-earth, near the shores and in and behind the Iron Mountains, “Morgoth also made a fortress and armory … to resist any assault that might come from Aman. That stronghold was commanded by Sauron, lieutenant of Morgoth, and it was named Angband.” Angband and its “gatehouse” (my term), Thangorodrim, were rebuilt by Sauron, the Balrogs, and the orcs that Morgoth and Sauron had corrupted in Middle-earth. |
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09-14-2006, 01:31 PM | #7 | |
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In the BoLT version of the story, they seem to be moving hills around and what not:
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09-14-2006, 01:39 PM | #8 |
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But how oftern do you want to trust the very earliest writtings of Tolkin
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09-14-2006, 04:25 PM | #10 |
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I guess when you say it like that.....
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10-04-2006, 09:17 PM | #11 |
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Melkor had the power to raise mountains and sunder the land. Taking him down ain't easy.
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01-21-2007, 05:36 AM | #13 | |
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Anyways when I imagine the Valar shaping the earth I imagine it as a very physical process. Hence why most of the heavy work is done by Aule and Tulkas and Ulmo. Yavanna labors quitely and to me it seems uses more of a "sorcerous" approach to shaping the world. However when it comes down to how I imagine the Valar going forth to war, the Wrath of the Valar is a phrase that to me signifies that they're doing a lot of physical fighting and therefor the geography would be altered quite a bit. Much in the same way that ancient peoples must have looked at earthquakes or thunder or other harsh natural calamities as the gods physical presence on earth. I can easily imagine that in the Elvish folklore that comprises the Silmarillion the first earthquake they experienced they'd attribute it to the Valar at war or something similar.
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