03-13-2002, 12:22 AM | #1 |
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Finarfin, King of the Noldor in Valinor
When Finarfin forsook the long march into Middle-earth, he returned to Valinor and was given the rule of the remaining Noldor. Ingwe was king of all Elves. When the War of Wrath came Finarfin came to Middle-earth with a great many Vanyar to overthrow Morgoth. Who would have ruled the Noldor in his stead? Also, what became of the Noldorin Kingship in Valinor once the Elves of the First and Second Houses of Finwe, or Finwe himself were released from Mandos?
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03-13-2002, 01:25 AM | #2 |
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Somewhere in the late HoMe books it's said or implied that Finwe never returned to the living, but remained in Mandos with M*riel. Manwe did not even judge Fëanor because of his particularly grave case, and passed the decision making on to the One. It's not known what became of him. I believe he remained in Mandos until the end of it. Finrod might have been the one who ruled the Noldor in the stead of Finarfin. That's my take. But as you point out there are other things to consider. The fates of Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon and Aredhel are really up in the air.
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I would think by this time Finarfin would himself have other sons or heirs, and the kingship or stewardship of the noldo would fall to them. I think when the end of days comes and the will of Eru is fulfilled, all will be released from the halls of Mandos; Finwe will be high king again, Feanor will be as he should have and all of his brothers, feanor will release the lights of the silmarilli and awaken the trees again and morgoth will be dealt a final death blow by the sword arm of Turin Turambar Mormegil.
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12-25-2006, 01:19 PM | #4 |
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Finarfin’s rule over the Noldor of Valinor was in fulfillment of the words of the Prophecy of the North: “On the House of Fëanor the wrath of the Valar lieth from the West unto the uttermost East... The Dispossessed shall they be for ever.” Fingolfin followed his elder brother Fëanor into Middle-earth, persevering even through the hellish crossing of the Helcaraxë; but Finarfin wisely turned back upon the border of Araman, and led some of his people home to Tirion. After the death of Fëanor, Fingolfin reigned as King of the Noldor in Beleriand; but after the death of Gil-galad in Mordor, the only recognized King of the Noldor was Finarfin, youngest of Finwë’s three sons.
Finwë did remain in Mandos so that M*riel, his first wife, might be among the Living: for no living Elf could have two spouses, and Indis did not die. Fëanor was held in Mandos because of the magnitude of his evil deeds. Fingolfin had rebelled against the Noldor and followed Fëanor into Middle-earth. Only Finarfin repented, and accepting the forgiveness and grace of the Valar, returned to the city of the Noldor to take up the throne of his father. Last edited by Alcuin : 12-25-2006 at 01:21 PM. |
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As far as I know, the only reference to the Second Prophecy of Mandos in Unfinished Tales has to do with Manwë, not Fëanor, and is in the essay “Istari”. |
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that sounds right.
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