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It's in the first book, out of the silent planet, when ransom and malachandra speak, (I think) that he warns weston not to come again or else he will destroy his ship on the way.
But free will doesn't cover it, since ransom comes and takes care of the problem. but maybe there was more than one purpose, maybe the queen had to learn about evil from firsthand experience. maybe also ransom had to be made stronger for the next phases. Thoughts anyone?
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My copy of the Cosmic Trilogy has been lost along the way, but I seem to recall Ransom being told at the end of Perelandra that since the Incarnation, only humans would be created as ....what's Lewis's word for ensouled beings?
Though this would seem to be contradicted by Ransom's glimpse of the great cart being pulled by the giant insects in the depths of the cavern on Perelandra, and his speculations about different kinds of intelligent creatures which didn't have a lot to do with each other. Hmmmm... would they have been created before Jesus's birth- and the King and Queen later? Darn, can't look it up. As for Lewis and animals, I was thinking more of his references to animals in Heaven- in the Problem of Pain? Have found my copy of PoP- good thing, since it cost me forty bucks for a forty-year-old paperback Signet- so I'll try and get back on that. |
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OK, Lewis believed that animals were created solely for the benefit of Humans.
"The error we must avoid is that of considering [animals] in themselves. Man is to be understood only in his relation to God. The beasts are to be understood only in relation to man and, through man, to God. .... The tame animal, is therefore, in the deeepest sense, the most "natural animal" -the only one we see occupying the place it was made to occupy, and it is on the tame animal we must base all our doctrine of beasts." PoP; "Animal Pain" ("made" in the last sentence has the meaning of "created", not "forced".) |
07-10-2006, 11:36 AM | #49 |
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Lewis also rejected YEC, and believed that animals, both those existing now and their prehistoric predecessors, had been victims of a previous Fall- the Fall of Satan; and that death and violence had entered Creation long before the Temptation of Man- which seems to me to be somewhat heretical, though I'm no expert on Christian Orthodoxy.
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Were the humans of perelandra (the father and lady) to be given dominion over all the hnau of the planet?
There are arguments both ways, since they say that they are to rule everything on perelandra. on the other hand, the other hnau were completely rmoved from the sphere of experience of humans (ransom), and it seems unlikely that one hnau were to rule another. So, were they to be completely ignored?
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Good point- IIRC, Ransom speculates on parallels with Earth-Faery, Elves, Dryads, Naiads? |
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He does, but I think the conclusion is that they dissapeared, since they were too much "in between" and were not exactly "good" or "evil", and so do not fit in with the more sharply defined modern world. Ransom says that everything is coming to a point, and thus magic is "not good" and so not permissible today.
In my opinion, it is a rather weak way of trying to fill in the gaps between earth mythology and the story. (Always compared to JRR... )
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I just bought two very fine paperbacks of the last two in the trilogy. I won't read them of course until I have No.1, which I'd prefer to buy, but I'm willing to check it out at the library...
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And I'm still waiting for the last two to be published. *bangs head*
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Actually, it seems so. For the cosmic trilogy, definitely. Of his other stuff - I had to ask for them to be brought out from the library storage... ::duh::
Only the first two were ever published so far - I have the first from a library sale. But, they're being published (anew)!! The second one comes out sometime in autumn. But I have a feeling i've already said all this somewhere around here..... (Sooo sleepy. Guess I'm off....)
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"Cosmic Triology" merged into this thread.
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