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10-08-2005, 06:35 AM | #21 |
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Okay thanks Gor. I don't think any of the Nazgûl apart from the Witch-King were at the Pelennor. At the end of TTT I think it was Shagrat who said 'The High Nazgûl has gone to War' making no mention of the others going. Also one of the Nazgûl was put in charge of Cirith Ungol so I'm guessing that they weren't at the Pelennor.
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10-08-2005, 11:49 AM | #22 | |||
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Oh, no, there were at least 6-7, I believe, flying overhead.
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As for the 15.03, The Lord of Morgul was slain shortly after sunrise. There was a line in LOTR draft, not erased, but simply missed, when it was copied on a typewriter. "After the WK was brought down, the nazgul flew back to Mordor in fear and dismay". Sorry, I can't check the quote, I rely only on memory. And then Frodo and Sam, saw one nazgul just after they escapd Cirith Ungol tower, in the early hours of 15.03. Then at the first light, they felt another flying high overhead: Quote:
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10-09-2005, 04:50 PM | #23 |
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Okay, thanks for the info Gor. Where did you find out about the missed line.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-09-2005, 06:48 PM | #24 | |
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05-20-2006, 04:15 PM | #26 |
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BUMP - needed for reference
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05-21-2006, 10:55 AM | #27 |
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Thank you for bumping this thread Gordis. Although I think that there are some problems with Olmer’s theory, it is very interesting and well thought out. After rereading this thread, I began to wonder about something. Could Gildor’s actions/inactions be explained by his having recognized the Nazgul’s “show” for what it really was (at least according to this theory)? I had always considered his not helping Frodo something of a “crime of apathy”. However, if he knew that the Nazgul wouldn’t really attempt to capture Frodo, maybe he could be excused. Also, if he believed that Gandalf was purposely keeping his distance (I don’t think Gildor could have known about Gandalf’s capture by Saruman) maybe he thought that he should also.
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05-21-2006, 12:13 PM | #29 | |
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05-21-2006, 12:45 PM | #30 |
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AU stands for 'Alternative Universe" and means a serious deviation from Tolkien Canon.
Olmer, if I understand rightly (sorry if I don't, Olmer ), thinks that the One Ring is just a device to suck power from its current possessor and transmit it to Sauron. So Sauron never meant to keep it himself, instead he was interested to give it to the most powerful being possible: to Galadriel, Elrond or Gandalf, or even to the Barlog - to suck them dry of their power. Of course it is very uncanonic. I never agreed with it, it just changes too much in the Tolkien world. |
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05-22-2006, 08:48 PM | #32 | |
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06-06-2006, 04:42 PM | #33 |
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Wouldn't it make sense for Sauron to search for the ring himself instead of sending any of his servants?
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06-06-2006, 04:50 PM | #34 | |
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Welcome to the Moot!
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A really smart thing to do would be to send some black Numenoreans disguised as rangers AND a couple nazgul to keep them in line. |
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