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05-26-2006, 06:07 PM | #22 | |
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I have been wondering for a while if Men would actually “burn out” faster in Valinor than in Middle Earth. What evidence do we have for this? When Men first reach Beleriand, and came into contact with Valinorean Elves, their life spans actually increased. No doubt most of the reason for this was wisdom gained from the Noldor and Grey Elves. But if living among powerful immortals, in the lands that they have made their own, caused Men to age more quickly, then maybe this increase in knowledge would have been offset in regards to life span. I believe Sister Golden Hair’s question brings up a better argument though. If Melkor hadn’t put evil in the world, then wouldn’t Middle Earth have been very similar to Valinor. Not exactly the same, of course, but quite possibly equally umm...grand. Would Men die more quickly in this Middle Earth? Or, maybe Melkor’s marring is the reason that Men would weary early in Valinor and, obviously, this marring wouldn’t exist in an evil-free Middle Earth. I think it is clear that these questions tie into the Ban discussion. |
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05-26-2006, 06:29 PM | #23 |
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i'm not sure whether this has been mentened already or not, but i think the Valar put the ban on them because they had some forehand knowledge that they knew Mens lusts would make them want immortality for themselves if they saw what they coud do if they were immortal. Also, it might be almost like gollums and bilbos experiences when they had the Ring for a long time.
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Interesting question, CAB.
It may be a heresy, but I think that without Melkor's discord there would be no place fit for Men to live. All the ME would have been like Valinor. One has to be a Vania Elf to like this at a long run. Even Noldor grew sick of it. And Men were completely unsuitable for a static world. So, only thanks to Melkor, and later Sauron the World of Men came into being. By the way, have you noticed that about Vaniar? They are called "wise" but it mostly means "obedient", it seems. |
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