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Beleriand indeed; I doubt that Tolkien truly moved back in time the coming of Men, after all, he did keep the chronology of the years of the sun, which would logically point to the Silmarillion idea that the children awoke at the first rising of the sun. As Christopher notes: "It was of course fundamental to the whole conception of the Elder Days that Men awoke in the East at the first Sunrise, and that they had existed for no more than a few hundred years when Finrod Felagund came upon Beor and his people in the foothills of the Blue Mountains."
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All humans have the same emotions, only some of these emotions in some people more profound, while in others more suppressed. And Hitler's unequality to Churchill depends of which side you are taken. For German population of 1940 he was a man, who brought his country from the deep afrer World War I depression up to the economically stabilized thriving fatherland. So all humans are equal on mother-earth. But if we are talking abut creation of Valar, then we have a dilemma: or we have to give a recognition of capability to have all equal to human’s emotions to all creations of the Fair side and the Dark side (Ungoliant and Balrogs included), or we have to accept the notion that none of them are capable to have any feeling. Quote:
So, this 35 valar’s years of Valar's indifference to ME amounted for a pretty leighty time by Eldar’s counting .No wonder that Melcor managed to build up a stronghold, to breed a new creatures and corrupt the elves “…and though the Valar for long time knew nothing of it.” (Morgoth’s Ring.“ Annanl of Aman”) Quote:
Hence, seems to me Orome was hunting everything what moves in the shadows of the woods. Besides, as strange, as it sounds, he had no idea of whatever he is hunting might be a creature with intellect. For him it was “a kill” pursued to the death. So it does not matter how the Wise tried to intrpret the ancient songs of the elves for Valar’s benefit, originally these tales were not so far from the truth: the Hunter was hunting the elves. |
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02-04-2006, 08:39 PM | #9 |
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So, this 35 valar’s years of Valar's indifference to ME amounted for a pretty leighty time by Eldar’s counting Less than four centuries is not the same as countless millenia ... As stated in Of the coming of the elves, Yavanna and Orome often visited the forests of ME. If the valar truly forgot about the Children, why does she say "and within this age our hope shall be revealed"? Why is Tulkas so eager to go to war to protect the elves, and why does Varda make the stars? Pure boredom? I doubt it . Also, after Orome finds them, it is said: "thus it was that the Valar found at last, as it were by chance, those whom they had so long awaited". Quote: Of course you are not coming at arm distance to get a closer look. Yet we are talking about a vala; and since he is the greatest hunter, I doubt that there is anyone with better perceptions than him. Quote: Hence, seems to me Orome was hunting everything what moves in the shadows of the woods I find that hard to believe, since he _trained_ his hosts against the "evil creatures of Melkor"; his love of animals is evident in his nickname "tamer of beasts" (animals who were a part of his host). Last edited by Landroval : 02-07-2006 at 12:40 PM. |
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Buffalos are looking quite evil, but they eat grass, at the same time a cute cat, in size of little bigger than dog, could tear you to pieces and then dine on you. Which one were labeled evil because created by the enemy, which one were evil by nature, and , since on ME we have precedents of talking trees and animals and birds, how you can be sure that you are not hunting a creature with an intellect equal to your own, who from his point of view sees you as an ogly repulsive killer and tries to hide in the dark? (For better idea I would recommend to read “From the Buick8” by Stephen King ) Any way, if you call yourself an animal lover, your love should be extended on all beasts, otherwise all Orome’s pretense to be a nature-loving forest ranger is just a hypocrisy. Last edited by Olmer : 02-06-2006 at 10:50 PM. |
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And who says uneager Melkor? Unlike the valar, he was more than willing to rule the Eruhini. Quote:
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