Why did Sauron need a ring? - Page 2

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-22-2004, 04:34 PM

Khamûl at least knew for it was his idea to check the Gladden for the Shire as he knew hobbits once lived there.

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 04:14 PM

My question is, even without the ring sauron created an army so huge and powerful it almost crushed Gondor, if it had defeated Gondor it would have gained more power and then could have lead a devistating assault on the remaining elves on ME. Why then wouldn't Sauron just wait a little while longer and build a bigger army. With Corsairs, Haradrim, Orcs, Trolls, Uruks, Wargs, and other evil creatures on his massive army he could simply overwhelm the world with an army and them seize the ring at his leisure.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 04:15 PM

With the Ring Sauron himself had more power. It's like saying, why have one of something when you can have two.

Attalus · 09-23-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

My question is, even without the ring sauron created an army so huge and powerful it almost crushed Gondor, if it had defeated Gondor it would have gained more power and then could have lead a devistating assault on the remaining elves on ME. Why then wouldn't Sauron just wait a little while longer and build a bigger army. With Corsairs, Haradrim, Orcs, Trolls, Uruks, Wargs, and other evil creatures on his massive army he could simply overwhelm the world with an army and them seize the ring at his leisure.

That was the original plan. The point of Aragorn showing himself and making Sauron think that the Ring might be used against him was to make him hurry his assault to keep the new Bearer from having time to learn how to use the Ring. "The hasty stroke goes oft astray."

trolls' bane · 09-23-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

My question is, even without the ring sauron created an army so huge and powerful it almost crushed Gondor, if it had defeated Gondor it would have gained more power and then could have lead a devistating assault on the remaining elves on ME. Why then wouldn't Sauron just wait a little while longer and build a bigger army. With Corsairs, Haradrim, Orcs, Trolls, Uruks, Wargs, and other evil creatures on his massive army he could simply overwhelm the world with an army and them seize the ring at his leisure.

Don't forget the little known Olog Hai (troll-orcs).

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

We don't really know who were the Nazgul, except 3 of them which were Numenoreans. Only if they were the ancestors of the Rohirrim, the people who lived between the carrock and Ered Mithrin.

Yet didn't the Witchking of Angmar come from... Angmar!? Just north of Eriador, and just above the area where the Galadden Fields were. Khamul came from the Harad region, very far from that area. So if he(if it is said) knew to search there, I think WK, would have a good idea that that would be a good place to look.

Radagast The Brown · 09-24-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Yet didn't the Witchking of Angmar come from... Angmar!? Just north of Eriador, and just above the area where the Galadden Fields were. Khamul came from the Harad region, very far from that area. So if he(if it is said) knew to search there, I think WK, would have a good idea that that would be a good place to look.

The Witch king was of Angmar, but he didn't actually come from Angmar, I think - becasue Angmar was only created in the Third Age, to attack Arnor when it divided. By the time he was in Angmar, it's written in Appendix 2 that the Perianath lived in Bree.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-24-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Khamul came from the Harad region, very far from that area. So if he(if it is said) knew to search there, I think WK, would have a good idea that that would be a good place to look.

But Khamûl was the Nazgûl in command of Dol Guldur after Sauron left as the Necromancer.

me9996 · 12-27-2004, 10:01 PM

This may be the end of this tread but...

The One ring when on sorons finger it makes his armys undefeatable.
It was his own pride that made him go to that battlefeald.
(But if he did't come Middle-Earth would be a bad place and there wold not be a story)

Attalus · 12-28-2004, 11:38 AM

The One Ring did not make Sauron's armies undefeatable. He was beaten several times, most notably by the Numenoreans who captured him (and his Ring) to their sorrow, and by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. The Ring's power was more specialised. It was mainly to oversee and command the Bearers of the Three Elven Rings, and the other Rings of Power. You are letting yourself be too influenced by the movie's Prologue.

ItalianLegolas · 12-29-2004, 06:30 PM

maybe the ring was just a symbol of power that Sauron made to show everybody that he was better then them, and foolishly, bound himself to it, also remember that the ring controlled the other rings, so Sauron could control the other ring bearers.

Pytt · 12-29-2004, 06:34 PM

I think the Ring was more than just a symbol of power. It was power, to those strong enough to control and weil it. I think Sauron made it the show himself better than everyone else, in the way of gaining strength enough to rule them

ItalianLegolas · 12-30-2004, 01:53 PM

maybe pytt...

Kevin McIntyre · 12-30-2004, 02:17 PM

Sauron had a hand in the making of the rings of power (except the elvish ring which Celbrimbor forged himself), however to control the the bearers of these rings he needed to create a master ring (a ring to rule them all). In order to do this he needed to pass some of his own power into the one ring, and in doing so tied his fate to the ring. Unfortunatly for him he was only able to rule the men who had the rings. But can you imagine a corrupted Elf as one of the Nazgul - and you thought the witch king was a pest.

ItalianLegolas · 12-30-2004, 02:18 PM

i know really

09-22-2004, 04:34 PM	#21
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Khamûl at least knew for it was his idea to check the Gladden for the Shire as he knew hobbits once lived there. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-23-2004, 04:14 PM	#22
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	My question is, even without the ring sauron created an army so huge and powerful it almost crushed Gondor, if it had defeated Gondor it would have gained more power and then could have lead a devistating assault on the remaining elves on ME. Why then wouldn't Sauron just wait a little while longer and build a bigger army. With Corsairs, Haradrim, Orcs, Trolls, Uruks, Wargs, and other evil creatures on his massive army he could simply overwhelm the world with an army and them seize the ring at his leisure. __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

09-23-2004, 04:15 PM	#23
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	With the Ring Sauron himself had more power. It's like saying, why have one of something when you can have two. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

12-28-2004, 11:38 AM	#30
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	The One Ring did not make Sauron's armies undefeatable. He was beaten several times, most notably by the Numenoreans who captured him (and his Ring) to their sorrow, and by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. The Ring's power was more specialised. It was mainly to oversee and command the Bearers of the Three Elven Rings, and the other Rings of Power. You are letting yourself be too influenced by the movie's Prologue. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

12-29-2004, 06:30 PM	#31
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	maybe the ring was just a symbol of power that Sauron made to show everybody that he was better then them, and foolishly, bound himself to it, also remember that the ring controlled the other rings, so Sauron could control the other ring bearers. __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-29-2004, 06:34 PM	#32
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I think the Ring was more than just a symbol of power. It was power, to those strong enough to control and weil it. I think Sauron made it the show himself better than everyone else, in the way of gaining strength enough to rule them __________________ Don't Panic!

12-30-2004, 01:53 PM	#33
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	maybe pytt... __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-30-2004, 02:17 PM	#34
Kevin McIntyre Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bree Posts: 148	Sauron had a hand in the making of the rings of power (except the elvish ring which Celbrimbor forged himself), however to control the the bearers of these rings he needed to create a master ring (a ring to rule them all). In order to do this he needed to pass some of his own power into the one ring, and in doing so tied his fate to the ring. Unfortunatly for him he was only able to rule the men who had the rings. But can you imagine a corrupted Elf as one of the Nazgul - and you thought the witch king was a pest.

12-30-2004, 02:18 PM	#35
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	i know really __________________ What was lost is now found.

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