What happened to the Dwarves after the 3rd age and beyond?

Captain Stern · 12-03-2001, 09:49 PM

After the 3rd age it was said to be the begining of the age of Men. All the elves eventualy sailed to the West except for those which faded. The Hobbits ( according to some here ) sort of blended into the race of men.

So what about the Dwarves? Did they eventualy die out? It seems to me that they were screwed and forgotten.

Is it possible that after a time the Dwarves received a summons from the West and that they would receive a dwelling somewhere in that land?

Surely they can't stay in the Halls of Mandos forever after they die? Unlike the Elves they have a lifespan of only a few hundred years and seemingly they don't get a choice of a new body and to return to the land of the living after a stint in the halls of Mandos.

Poor old Dwarves.

ringbearer · 12-03-2001, 10:00 PM

If you read the appendices, it does not say anything particular about the race...but it does state that at some later date Gimli sailed to the West with Legolas.

I do not recall, but aren't the Dwarves mortal? I seem to remember some of them dying of old age(I could be mistaken).

Lightice · 12-04-2001, 12:25 PM

Yes, they were mortals.
I seem to remember something written by Tolkien of the subject.
If I remember correctly, he said, that nowadays all dwarves have becomed solely amusing, which is shame. In 3rd Age they still had some old fire in themselves.
So that means, that there are still dwarves, but they are all degenerated into something much lesser than they were in old days.

Comic Book Guy · 12-04-2001, 03:21 PM

In the appendices it says that its rare for a baby Dwarf to be female, I believe that in the fourth age they probability of female Dwarves being born increased so mates for the other Dwarves decreased and the cycle continued until they died out.

Wayfarer · 12-04-2001, 05:22 PM

The Female:Male ratio for dwarves was supposed to be about 1:3

Ñólendil · 12-04-2001, 05:39 PM

The Age of Man signified 'the decline of all other speaking peoples'. Legolas told Gimli that Men will outlast them. We don't see any Dwarrows about these days, so I suppose we must suppose they have died out, or else have become very hard to find, like Hobbits.

Comic Book Guy · 12-04-2001, 06:26 PM

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become very hard to find, like Hobbits.

Wow! Someone actually found a Hobbit! Cool!

Ace · 12-06-2001, 05:49 AM

I also recall that female dwarves were rare. I am also of the mind that the amount of females decreased until the Dwarves dided out, sad, but true.

"If the choice be mine, I say, we march!"

12-03-2001, 09:49 PM	#1
Captain Stern Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 319	What happened to the Dwarves after the 3rd age and beyond? After the 3rd age it was said to be the begining of the age of Men. All the elves eventualy sailed to the West except for those which faded. The Hobbits ( according to some here ) sort of blended into the race of men. So what about the Dwarves? Did they eventualy die out? It seems to me that they were screwed and forgotten. Is it possible that after a time the Dwarves received a summons from the West and that they would receive a dwelling somewhere in that land? Surely they can't stay in the Halls of Mandos forever after they die? Unlike the Elves they have a lifespan of only a few hundred years and seemingly they don't get a choice of a new body and to return to the land of the living after a stint in the halls of Mandos. Poor old Dwarves.

12-03-2001, 10:00 PM	#2
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	If you read the appendices, it does not say anything particular about the race...but it does state that at some later date Gimli sailed to the West with Legolas. I do not recall, but aren't the Dwarves mortal? I seem to remember some of them dying of old age(I could be mistaken). __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty! Last edited by ringbearer : 12-03-2001 at 10:02 PM.

12-04-2001, 05:22 PM	#5
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	The Female:Male ratio for dwarves was supposed to be about 1:3 __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-04-2001, 05:39 PM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The Age of Man signified 'the decline of all other speaking peoples'. Legolas told Gimli that Men will outlast them. We don't see any Dwarrows about these days, so I suppose we must suppose they have died out, or else have become very hard to find, like Hobbits. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-06-2001, 05:49 AM	#8
Ace Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Long Island Posts: 20	dwarves I also recall that female dwarves were rare. I am also of the mind that the amount of females decreased until the Dwarves dided out, sad, but true. "If the choice be mine, I say, we march!"

12-04-2001, 12:25 PM	#3
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	Yes, they were mortals. I seem to remember something written by Tolkien of the subject. If I remember correctly, he said, that nowadays all dwarves have becomed solely amusing, which is shame. In 3rd Age they still had some old fire in themselves. So that means, that there are still dwarves, but they are all degenerated into something much lesser than they were in old days.

12-04-2001, 03:21 PM	#4
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	In the appendices it says that its rare for a baby Dwarf to be female, I believe that in the fourth age they probability of female Dwarves being born increased so mates for the other Dwarves decreased and the cycle continued until they died out.