06-30-2002, 12:10 AM | #61 |
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What is Morogoths Ring?
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06-30-2002, 12:24 AM | #62 | |
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06-30-2002, 12:27 AM | #63 |
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thanks.whats the first volume?
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06-30-2002, 01:04 AM | #64 |
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Volumes 1 and 2 are the Book of Lost Tale parts 1 and 2. This is the old mythology.
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06-30-2002, 11:24 AM | #65 |
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ok.
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07-01-2002, 04:57 PM | #66 | |
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07-01-2002, 07:48 PM | #67 |
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No O Insufferable One, but he can make and he can corrupt. As the Dragons and the Trolls find their origins, as themselves anyway, in Moriñgotho, so may the flies. They're just dreadful creatures.
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07-01-2002, 08:26 PM | #68 |
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Gotcha.
So... what do you think flies were originally?
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07-01-2002, 09:06 PM | #69 |
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butterflies?
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Perhaps they were simply good-natured, but after being tampered with by Moriñgotho they came to like stink, and enjoyed irritating people and sometimes biting them. Tolkien once said that Melkor was so engrossed with his own works that he was probably unaware of many things that were not actually his own. He said Melkor was better at dealing with a volcano than a flower. And, Tolkien added, if such things were forced upon his attention, he was filled with hate, jealousy and loathing, that such a thing could be. Perhaps flies were one of those things -- say that entered via the thought of Orome in the Music -- that were forced upon the Dark Lord's attention. In his wrathful madness he may have made a point of making them tiresome and disgusting.
Actually I was only half-serious when I mentioned it, but I think it's also possible. In Of the Beginning of Days, this just came to me, flies are actually mentioned in conjunction with Melkor: Quote:
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Recall that the gift to men has two part. The other part is that men are free from the presdestination or fate of the music of the Aniur. It is slightly implied, but not clearly so, that that the two parts of the gift are necessarily tied together. They are further connected by the statement that men are free to seek their fate (after death) beyond the confines of Arda.
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No doubt that part of being the children of Illuvatar was to be in doubt about the afterlife.
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I much prefer being a Man. I don't know if I could endure being bound to Arda as long as it excists. And maybe it reallt is a gift to shape ones own destiny and not be bound by the music, and after death to pass outside the circles of the world. Do not forget that Death was given as a gift. I think that it is very well explained in The Music of the Ainur as written in The Book of Lost Tales:
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