09-15-2004, 04:07 PM | #1 |
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it says on the frog card of dumbledore, that he is known to have helped nicholas flemmel create the sorcerers/philosophers stone. But Flemmel is hundreds of years older then dumbledore. So how could dumbledore have helped.
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09-15-2004, 05:52 PM | #2 |
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I noticed it, and thought about it for a long time. The only thing I could think about is Dumbledore himself using the stone to have longer life. But there is other info that proves he didn't...
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09-16-2004, 02:39 AM | #3 |
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Dumbledore can't have been using the Stone though or he would have died aswell.
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09-16-2004, 08:21 PM | #5 |
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The only explanation i can think of is that flemmel was extremely old! and dumbledore was very young when they worked on the stone. But dumbledore would most likely not have acquired enough knowledge at that age to help. And Flemmel should have died already.
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09-16-2004, 08:26 PM | #6 |
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Yes, it's not possible. I can't think of Dumbledore older than 150 years. Femmel was probably not older than than 150 years - and even in this situation Dumbledore would have to be about 200 years older so that he could help.
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09-16-2004, 10:06 PM | #7 |
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Maybe Dumbledore went back in time and helped him make it. It's possible.
Or maybe there are other techniques available for prolonging life that Flamel had used prior to their collaboration. And I don't doubt that Dumbledore could have achieved that at a rather early age considering what has been said about his early wizarding abilities. |
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09-17-2004, 11:35 AM | #9 |
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It says in the first book exacly how old Flammel was and I think he was nearing 500.
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I agree with Thranduil about going back in time - I don't think he could go back 300 years in time. Yes, the only sensible option is Flamel having other methods to keep his life; but why would he that? I mean... if death to Flamel is only an adventure. ("To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.") I don't think he believed he's going to make the Philosoffer's Stone when he was 90 years old. |
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09-17-2004, 04:54 PM | #11 |
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If he had other ways of sustaining his life then why make the Philosephers Stone.
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Maybe Flemel had been experimenting with various ways to lengthen your life, which led him to make the Philosopher's Stone?
(I have a beef with the American version. For some reason, in the title is changed from Philolophers to Sorcerers. It is not the fault of any reader who quotes it, but actually, the Sorcerers stone isn't anything. The Philosopher's Stone is the legendary stone that could be used to lengthen life, and turn lead into gold. It was the stone coveted by alchemists. I think it makes more sense to keep the title the way it was, it's more connected to legend that way, rather than a random magical stone.)
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09-20-2004, 03:19 PM | #15 |
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Did it explicitly say in PS/SS that Nick Flamel is a wizard? I can't remember. (If not, maybe he's not a wizard, but another being that has a longer life span.)
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