Humans suck!

fatclown · 09-20-2001, 11:52 PM

Alright Tolkein created a world with dwarves , wizards , dragons, orcs, and men.

But what advantage did men have? They are not the first born.
-wizards are smarter
-basically everything lives longer than them
-elves are stronger, more beautiful
-the valar like the elves and dwarves more, melkor likes his orcs
-dwarves are greater at craft and building
-so are elves
-elves are greater in battle

So basically all man has going for him is he breeds alot, and even orcs are better than that! At least our wives dont have beards! (suck it dwarf!)

Haha

please comment

ringbearer · 09-21-2001, 01:16 AM

I think it is Tolkiens way of explaining why mankind is the "dominating" species of todays age!

Notice I did not say the most intelligent!

ArwenEvenstar · 09-21-2001, 05:55 PM

personally if i ever imagine myself being in a book i'd be so angry if I was an human or an orc....

Comic Book Guy · 09-21-2001, 06:15 PM

You are forgetting the Gift of Men. Which is probally a lot better that than being strong, beautiful and skilled in craft.

Also Dwarves may have thought Dwarf-Women beards were beautiful and Sexy

AbacusTafai · 09-21-2001, 08:16 PM

I think Tolkien was showing how these plain humans were taking over middle earth, running out so to say, the Elves, dwarves and other fantasy things. I think it was an allusion to the overtaking of the industrial age on the pristine British countryside in his time. As he said I believe, he came to visit his small village where he grew up, which inspired The Shire, with his son much later in his life and saw it overtaken by factories and the like. I think this influenced his chapter "The Scouring of The Shire" in the Return.

Ñólendil · 09-22-2001, 02:21 AM

Actually he denied in his Foreward to the Second Edition any connexion between happenings in England and the Scouring of the Shire. Or maybe he said only that it was not an allegory ...

AbacusTafai · 09-22-2001, 10:43 AM

I know, I read about that before, but you know how it is, say one thing, do another...

fatclown · 09-27-2001, 04:57 PM

what is the gift of men again? please remind me..

Comic Book Guy · 09-27-2001, 05:44 PM

The gift of men, or curse of men as some called it, is death. After death their Spirits go beyond Arda and Eä to a place where only Eru knows. What is special about it, is that only men can go there and Elves cannot, for they are bound to Arda.

Does anybody know what to the Elves after the Final battle, when Arda will be made anew.

UnStashable · 10-01-2001, 11:21 PM

What about Beorn (spelling). He could change into a bear a throw pitiful elves around like ragdolls (joking). As far as i know only some Ainur (spelling agian) could do that.

***Tessar*** · 10-02-2001, 12:56 PM

Oh so I suck do I?

09-20-2001, 11:52 PM	#1
fatclown Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 30	Humans suck! Alright Tolkein created a world with dwarves , wizards , dragons, orcs, and men. But what advantage did men have? They are not the first born. -wizards are smarter -basically everything lives longer than them -elves are stronger, more beautiful -the valar like the elves and dwarves more, melkor likes his orcs -dwarves are greater at craft and building -so are elves -elves are greater in battle So basically all man has going for him is he breeds alot, and even orcs are better than that! At least our wives dont have beards! (suck it dwarf!) Haha please comment

09-21-2001, 01:16 AM	#2
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	I think it is Tolkiens way of explaining why mankind is the "dominating" species of todays age! Notice I did not say the most intelligent! __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

09-21-2001, 05:55 PM	#3
ArwenEvenstar Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: and why do YOU want to know? Posts: 685	personally if i ever imagine myself being in a book i'd be so angry if I was an human or an orc.... __________________ The only thing active about me is my imagination!

09-21-2001, 08:16 PM	#5
AbacusTafai Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24	I think Tolkien was showing how these plain humans were taking over middle earth, running out so to say, the Elves, dwarves and other fantasy things. I think it was an allusion to the overtaking of the industrial age on the pristine British countryside in his time. As he said I believe, he came to visit his small village where he grew up, which inspired The Shire, with his son much later in his life and saw it overtaken by factories and the like. I think this influenced his chapter "The Scouring of The Shire" in the Return. __________________ If you knew where 'there' was... would you still go?

09-22-2001, 02:21 AM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Actually he denied in his Foreward to the Second Edition any connexion between happenings in England and the Scouring of the Shire. Or maybe he said only that it was not an allegory ... __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

09-21-2001, 06:15 PM	#4
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	You are forgetting the Gift of Men. Which is probally a lot better that than being strong, beautiful and skilled in craft. Also Dwarves may have thought Dwarf-Women beards were beautiful and Sexy

09-22-2001, 10:43 AM	#7
AbacusTafai Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24	I know, I read about that before, but you know how it is, say one thing, do another... __________________ If you knew where 'there' was... would you still go?

09-27-2001, 04:57 PM	#8
fatclown Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 30	what is the gift of men again? please remind me..

09-27-2001, 05:44 PM	#9
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	The gift of men, or curse of men as some called it, is death. After death their Spirits go beyond Arda and Eä to a place where only Eru knows. What is special about it, is that only men can go there and Elves cannot, for they are bound to Arda. Does anybody know what to the Elves after the Final battle, when Arda will be made anew.

10-01-2001, 11:21 PM	#10
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	What about Beorn (spelling). He could change into a bear a throw pitiful elves around like ragdolls (joking). As far as i know only some Ainur (spelling agian) could do that. __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

10-02-2001, 12:56 PM	#11
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	Oh so I suck do I?

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