09-29-2001, 12:22 AM | #1 |
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Why doesn't anybody like Gollum?
Gollum is sooo cool ,but everyone hates him. WHY?
P.S. oh and he was only cool in the hobbit not in the LotR
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09-29-2001, 02:34 PM | #2 |
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I like Gollum, in both the Hobbit and LOTR. I wasn't under the impression that many people hated him. He's not exactly a "good guy", but he's such a cool character!! An intriguing mixture of comic and tragic.
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09-29-2001, 04:14 PM | #3 |
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Gollum, besides from Fatty Bolger, is my favourite character in the Lord of the rings. People generally hate him is because of his trickses, but that was only because of his extreme lust for the ring. A humurous but pitiful character, he was a good hobbit deep down.
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09-29-2001, 04:18 PM | #4 |
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I don't like him but I do feel sorry for him.
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09-29-2001, 09:53 PM | #5 |
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I pitty the poor guy, certainly don't dislike him.
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10-02-2001, 06:56 AM | #6 |
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Maybe Gollun have bad breath or smelly feet…..
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10-02-2001, 08:30 AM | #7 |
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Who dislikes Gollum? He's funny, especially when Sam tells him the Oliphaunt poem.
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10-02-2001, 12:21 PM | #8 |
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I like it when he whimpers and cries to get his own way. That's why many of the characters pitied him so much. He knew how to work people.
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10-02-2001, 08:13 PM | #9 |
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We likes him, me prescious, we does in deed. sssssssss. *maiacal laughter.
In fact, we liked him so much, we later modeled our joint character after him. Of course, burghash is much nastier than gollum ever was. |
10-12-2001, 10:26 AM | #10 |
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Well, not everyone hates him. I personally don't like him very much, but I think he's just a poor guy who needs only a bit of warmeness, love and friendship.
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10-12-2001, 06:47 PM | #11 |
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I like Gollum, I think he's cool. Esp. the way he talks to himself, or I guess he is really talking to his ring, no make that Frodo's ring, wait make that Sauron's ring. Whatever, I basically just like the way he talks.
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10-14-2001, 12:10 PM | #12 |
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It is interesting to see so many humane and tolerant views on Smeagol. I myself find it hard to feel any deeper sympathy for this guy, who started out by strangling his best friend for the one Ring (yeah yeah the Ring might have egged him on) and then pursued his career in the same style.
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10-14-2001, 08:30 PM | #13 |
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Yes, pitiable, especially when that small, uncorrupted corner of his mind came to the front. As a general rule, he was a sick, petty traitor, even if he was tormented by the ring. Don't forget, Frodo did show him warmth and love, but it didn't cure him. I had never thought of him as comic-relief. Interesting idea. Hmmmmm...
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10-18-2001, 07:01 PM | #14 |
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I don't like Gollum, but I don't hate him. Just pity him.
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10-22-2001, 10:09 AM | #15 |
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I never really liked him until the one scene where tolkien comparedhimto a really oldhobbit, when he and frodo and sam were in mordor. It was like the real hobbit, smeagol, surfaced. before then he really got on my nerves
PS, cool quote, siggles!
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10-23-2001, 08:01 PM | #16 |
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Gollum
I hope that I will always feel tolerant of Gollum. Not only because I pity him, and I do pity him. But also because of the respect I have for the buden he beared for so long. And I can't even imagine the weight of that burden. Even Bilbo and Frodo felt the harsh effect of the ring, and it would be hard to find two kinder hobbits than they. And Gollum had the ring for ages. Which of us could have persevered as long, and be left with even the twisted bit of humanity (or hobbanity, if you will ) that gollum still retains? I am glad that the task was left to Gollum, and none of us need ever know the answer to that question.
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Re: Gollum
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10-24-2001, 01:29 PM | #18 |
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Well he did kill his cousion Deagol before he got the ring, so he was a bad Hobbit without the ring. Frodo didn't kill Bilbo for the ring when he found out, I doubt he was even temped by the ring at first, Smeagol was.
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However does it count what mood the Ring was in? Suppose it perceived Smeagol to be a better "host" given that moment. Whereas the difference between Frodo and Bilbo was not so great. Ah well... |
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10-25-2001, 02:10 PM | #20 |
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Maybe the ring only temps those who are already of weak/ill will. Smeagol felt the need to kill for it, hide it, personify it etc. right from the start. Bilbo thought it a nice souvenir to put on the mantle and Frodo called it "Bilbo's funny magic ring" even after it had been given to him. It took the magic of the ring many years to have the same possesive effect on Bilbo that Gollum had instantly. To say nothing of Frodo bearing it to Mordor!
I think Smeagol was weak willed indeed and that the ring took advantage of that. He's due some pitty, I suppose. Plus, he is one of the most interesting characters! |
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