01-23-2004, 12:55 PM | #1 |
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What if.........
Here is a thread for if you can think of any what ifs...
Heres mine: What if somehow tuor had died ( i dont know, falled from a cliff and broken his neck?) and Earendil wasnt born would the Valar still have come?
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01-23-2004, 01:10 PM | #2 | |
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01-24-2004, 11:16 AM | #3 |
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yeh its not really about answering other peoples what ifs.. its jus about getting people thinkin and speculating about what ifs...
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01-24-2004, 02:34 PM | #4 | |
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Okay, what if the Noldor had not killed the Teleri and just built their own ships to sail to Middle-earth in? Would have saved them that long walk across the ice.
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01-24-2004, 03:04 PM | #5 |
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Or what if the Teleri had lendt them the ships? Or if Fëanor had decided to send ships back to Fingolfin? The host would have been united (and in the first case no curse of Mandos) and much greater (no loss because of no crossing of Araman).
Now that could have threatend the Morgoth.
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01-25-2004, 10:27 AM | #7 | |
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What about - 'What if the Valar didn't release Morgoth?' or - what if the council of Elrond decided to give the ring to Bombadil? There are thousands of good 'what if's. |
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01-25-2004, 11:36 AM | #8 |
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What if Sauron had been destroyed utterly during the war of wrath at the end of the first age...just say him and Eonwe had an awesome 1 on 1 and Saurons spirit was banished to the void, it would have been a VERY peaceful second and third age.
OOOOORRRRRR what if the Numenoreans had successfully invaded Valinor and made the Valar their slaves?????
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01-25-2004, 01:16 PM | #9 |
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What If Feanor hadnt die so early and lived until the 5th battle and the eastelings didnt betray Maedhros or didnt even get involved. would the allies have won with out the valar? What would have morgoth done?? come out himself like sauron did in the second age?
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01-25-2004, 01:23 PM | #10 |
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I stick to my beleif that it would have been worse for the Noldor if Feanor had survived longer because he would have gone to any lenghts, sacrifice too much to get his hands on the silmarils.
lucky he died early.
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01-25-2004, 07:51 PM | #11 |
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Here is a good one:
What if the line of Elendil died off over the years when it was thought it actually did...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
01-28-2004, 01:25 PM | #12 |
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Originally posted by Dunedain
What if the line of Elendil died off over the years when it was thought it actually did... _____________________________ This might not have been as "finally" disastrous as it might seem. 1) Bilbo still finds the Ring. 2) Gandalf still organizes and encourages resistance (without beating anyone up). 3) There are still rangers in the north. 4) Fellowship still could be set up. Gondor and/or Rohan might be overrun, but, in a way, that might help the quest. Sort of like a blitz in football drawing in defenders for a screen pass, Sauron's boys would be drawn further and further away from Mordor deep into Eriador. If before Sauron's attack Frodo, nice Smeagol, and the fat hobbit had slipped to the borders of Mordor they might have a better chance to succeed. (And maybe Faramir goes to Rivendell. He and Arwen hit it off in Rivendell, , and later Eowyn meets Boromir.....well, it's a thought).
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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01-28-2004, 01:51 PM | #14 |
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But in the above scenario Faramir would be sort of a surrogate for Aragorn (granted a weaker one). After all, Faramir was "a wizard's pupil."
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01-28-2004, 03:42 PM | #15 |
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First of all the hobbits would have died if aragorn wasn't born, when the wraiths attacked and aragorn defended. Unless like u say faramir stood in place of Aragorn. But faramir would have to be heir of Isuldur other wise he would have not been able to summon the dead and minas tirith would have been overthrown sooner or later, then frodo would have been captured and kill with sam because they'd be no distraction, so unless a numenorian there wouldnt be much a chance. Wait a minute actually there would have been an army of the dead because even isuldur woulnd't have been born. (i dont want all that writing to go to waste thats why i didnt delete them) it would be the end with out the line of Elendil.
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02-02-2004, 03:28 PM | #16 |
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what if the easterling didnt betray the elves and men of dor-lomin in the 5th battle would they have really overthrown morgoth and drive him back? And wot sort of army does it take to seige angband? how big exatly was the army of the elves and men in the 5th battle? any1 know??
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02-02-2004, 03:30 PM | #17 |
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Another interesting point: What had happend if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell and accompanied the Ring instead of Boromir?
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Originally posted by Falagar
Another interesting point: What had happend if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell and accompanied the Ring instead of Boromir? ______________________________ Interesting. Frodo had independently come to realize he had to go alone to Mordor. The scenario could have been played out essentially the same. The camp would be attacked with the Fellowship intact but for Frodo, Sam goes after him, the nassty orcsees (I mean the nasty orcs) seperate the Fellowship and capture Merry and Pippin. But how would JRRT have handled Faramir? Killed? Wounded? Goes to Rohan or Gondor while the Three Hunters go after Merry and Pippin, or, if uninjured, accompany them? Perhaps most interesting would be his being fairly seriously wounded, having to leave the three to get aid at Edoras, and there becoming involved in Rohan politics (i. e, Wormtongue) and with Eowyn. And remember. Faramir was the preferred envoy by the valar or Iluvatar (whoever sent the dreams).
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What if Tuor of Gondolin had never created this thread.
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