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Is Jackson a hack?
I was just wondering if jackson falls under the definition of a hack.
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Jackson did a great job on the action sequences, the special effects, the scenary. the music and the costuming - but when it comes to the storyline and characterization - he fell right on his face. He set out the bait and we took it - some spit out the hook while others swallowed it hook line and sinker. Some just ate the worm and stole the bait. I will continue, in later posts, to explain where I think Jackson went wrong on the movies, why I think he is a hack and why I think he was NOT the right director for the movies.
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12-05-2003, 11:45 PM | #2 |
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Is Jackson a Hack?
Nope.
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12-05-2003, 11:59 PM | #3 |
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Yep.
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12-06-2003, 12:02 AM | #4 |
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Come on guys. I don't feel the LOVE. Let's all hug and stop wit da hatin. Of each other. You can still hate the movies.
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I think that sums everything up nicely.
See. No ones feeling gets hurt.
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There is a difference between hating the movies, Jackson and the movie fans. However, I prefer movie fans who are primarily book fans though. Call me prejudice.
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12-06-2003, 12:09 AM | #7 |
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I think everyone here is quite aware about your opinion of the movies.
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12-06-2003, 12:10 AM | #8 |
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I hate you, GDL.
Come /on/.
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Absolutely. Jackson is a hack.
However, I'd like to correct you on a few things. Mainly, that he did a good job on the scenery, etc. In fact, PJ didn't do a lot of the best parts of the movie... he merely hired or assisted hiring people who were world class in their fields to do that work. So, truely, you can't completely contribute those parts to PJ. 1) computer generated imagery: WETA 2) blacksmiths, leather-workers, sculptors and experts in medieval armor: hired by WETA 3) special effects, including the Orc makeup and masks, and the scale size props: WETA 4) Scale sized models: WETA 5) Art department: Grant Major (Production Designer), Dan Hennah (Supervising Art Director), Chris Hennah (Art Department Manager), Matthew Mellor (Model and Sculptor Supervisor), Brigitte Wuest (Head Sculptor), and Christian Rivers (Storyboard Artist). 6) Costumes: Ngila Dickson (Costume Designer), Janis Macewan (Wardrobe Manager), Liz McGregor (Wardrobe Coordinator), Carolyn Fenton (Wardrobe Supervisor), Bob Buck (Extras Coordinator). And there are more. Funny how the best parts of the movie don't include Jackson. |
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Is Peter Jackson a hack? I would argue generally no. I don't like the movies (well, TT was generally better IMO), but I can't completely write off what he produced either - the production time alone dictates that this was not a quick buck/job. I would also add that PJ's detractors (egads, I sound like bb, somebody cut my tongue out! ) ought to watch Heavenly Creatures as this is an outstanding movie. It saddens me that this didn't carry over into LOTR.
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