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11-20-2003, 05:32 PM
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 Sorry. I'm not sure... not sure what you meant... Sterrendei - stars, Sunnendei - sun, Monendei - moon, Trewesdei - trees, Hevenesdei - sky, Meresdi - sea, Highdei - chief days??? |
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11-20-2003, 05:46 PM
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You HAD to peek for all that!
 It's OK though. I'll say correct - my version calls the 'Friday' equivalent a "high day" - rather than "chief" - I'm going off memory here, but I think it refers to the Valar. There's an interesting distinction in the "trees" day from the Elvish to the Numenorean, but we can save that for another trivia question one day! (and I won't count off for that one today!) Oh - Dunedain... I guess I've generally considered "Numenorean" and "Dunedain" to be synonymous... maybe they technically are not though. I'll have to dig into the uses there - or do you know off-hand; are the "Dunedain" defined as "Numenoreans in Exile" - ie, after the Akabelleth (SP?)??? JRRT does so much duplicate naming of peoples and persons... Radagast the Brown: your go! |
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11-20-2003, 05:49 PM
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Basically this is the best way to explain it: Dúnedain is a term used in Middle-earth for the Men of Númenor and (especially) their descendants in Arnor and Gondor...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen 
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11-20-2003, 05:54 PM
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Hmmm... yes, I guess those in Umbar, for instance, were called "Black Numenoreans" (not from their skin tone - but from being of the "King's Men" persuasion - in rebellion attitude-wise to the Valar) - and never seem to be included in the term "Dunedain"
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11-21-2003, 06:54 AM
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Dunedain = The Edain of the West, people of Nuenore and their descendants in Middle Earth. (as you said Dunedain)
Nuenorians = people of Numenore, (obviously). So there is a difference definition. The Black Numenorian = Numenorioans from the King Loyals and Eldar Haters, that settled in Middle Earth, especially in Umbar; enemies of Gondor. (from my index in LOTR) Edit - Question: Who is Fram? Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 11-21-2003 at 06:57 AM. |
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11-21-2003, 09:36 AM
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Fram was the son of Frumgar. A northman from the vales of Anduin. He killed a dragon (Scatha) and kept the loot.
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11-21-2003, 10:00 AM
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Right!
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11-21-2003, 10:04 AM
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Elf Lord
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Who did the Nazgul pass over at Dol Baran?
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11-21-2003, 11:20 AM
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Shouldn't that be "whom"?
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11-21-2003, 11:42 AM
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11-21-2003, 12:02 PM
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I actually wasn't sure of what the location was called (which is maybe why I dodged instead of playing) - but now I'll go with my first impression: Was that where one passed over the fellowship (now of 8 - less only Gandalf) when they were boating down the Anduin? And Legolas fired up an arrow...?? |
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11-21-2003, 02:53 PM
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Nope, that is incorrect. The location was why I picked that particular question. I had not heard of it either.
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11-21-2003, 03:31 PM
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Yet neither by wolf, nor by Balrog, nor by Dragon, would Morgoth have achieved his end, but for the treachery of Men. Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again. |
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11-21-2003, 03:33 PM
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Elf Lord
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Yes, Bacchus is right. Your turn Bacchus (after you pass the wine).
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11-21-2003, 04:31 PM
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How, specifically, did the Dwarves express their displeasure with Azog?
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11-21-2003, 04:34 PM
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I believe they lopped off his head, likely mounted it on a pole (such a common practice!) and crammed into his mouth the bag of money he had tossed out to Nar, after throwing out Thror's carcass, as "payment" for carrying his message back to the dwarves.
Or something like that? (don't get a dwarf mad at you!) |
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11-21-2003, 06:10 PM
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we have a winner. yer up
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Yet neither by wolf, nor by Balrog, nor by Dragon, would Morgoth have achieved his end, but for the treachery of Men. Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again. |
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11-21-2003, 06:14 PM
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Which King of Rohan lost his two eldest (twin) sons, when they died defending Gondor?
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11-21-2003, 06:26 PM
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Elf Lord
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hmm, Folcwine?
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11-21-2003, 06:34 PM
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Folcwine it is! He was Theoden's great-grandpa - so Theoden's grandpa was younger brother to the twins!
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