Sauron's Appearance

***Khamûl*** · 12-20-2002, 05:04 PM

Here's something that I noticed while re-reading "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age":

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A mask still could he wear so that if he wished he might deceive the eyes of Men, seeming to them wise and fair.

That made me think a moment and search for this passage in the Akallabêth:

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But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-Earth and to Mordor that was his home.

I thought he lost his fair form in the Fall of Númenor. Did I miss something?

Ñólendil · 12-20-2002, 08:04 PM

Yes. The Fall of Númenor took place after Annatar. The forging of the Rings of Power was begun in II 1500, and Andor fell in II 3319.

Wayfarer · 12-20-2002, 09:31 PM

Your first citation is from the time while he was working with the elves to create the rings of power.

the second is after the fall of numenor, which was some years later.

***Khamûl*** · 12-21-2002, 02:11 AM

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I thought that the way it was presented in the Silmarillion was in chronological order. Since the Akallabêth came before 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age', I assumed that it happened before. Silly me.

Lefty Scaevola · 12-21-2002, 11:02 AM

It understandable. Your master, Sauron, does not ecourage his servants at Minas Morgul to read the history of his failures.

Wayfarer · 12-21-2002, 11:54 AM

Reminds me of certain institutions In my country... ]: )

Halbarad of the North · 03-26-2003, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil
Yes. The Fall of Númenor took place after Annatar. The forging of the Rings of Power was begun in II 1500, and Andor fell in II 3319.

ya hes rite

12-20-2002, 08:04 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yes. The Fall of Númenor took place after Annatar. The forging of the Rings of Power was begun in II 1500, and Andor fell in II 3319. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-20-2002, 09:31 PM	#3
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Your first citation is from the time while he was working with the elves to create the rings of power. the second is after the fall of numenor, which was some years later. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-21-2002, 02:11 AM	#4
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I thought that the way it was presented in the Silmarillion was in chronological order. Since the Akallabêth came before 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age', I assumed that it happened before. Silly me. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

12-21-2002, 11:54 AM	#6
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Reminds me of certain institutions In my country... ]: ) __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	It understandable. Your master, Sauron, does not ecourage his servants at Minas Morgul to read the history of his failures.