03-21-2003, 11:09 AM | #1 |
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Crossing the Helcaraxe
It took Fingolfin's host 27 years to cross the Helcaraxe.
What did they eat? What supplies of survival did they bring? Was magic involved?
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03-21-2003, 12:51 PM | #2 |
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maybe they eat polar bears and penguins? seriously though were they really out there for 28 years?
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Well, one of the things that I have always wondered about, was that the host was so large, stretching from front to back, that perhaps it took less time to cross for the first half, but a total of 27 years for the whole. I don't really know what kind of food that climate could offer, especially for that length of time. Interesting.
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27 years? I skimmed through the Silmarillion, but I couldn't find any information of how long Fingolfin's march lasted.
Where does it say that they spent 27 years trying to cross the Helcaraxë?
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It's so funny that you should start this thread today, because for some reason the word "Helcaraxe" has been in my mind today (I keep saying it in my mind, wondering if I'm pronouncing it correctly!
I think they must have had a lot of supplies, and perhaps did a lot of ice fishing. Is is possible that there were "messenger" types who would ride to get things that were needed? Obviously the nature of the elves was part of the reason for their survival during this: extraordinary physical condition, excellent survival abilities, etc. I, too, didn't remember that it took 27 years! Yikes! |
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It isn't mentioned in the Silmarillion how long Maedhros was held by Morgoth, so where from did you get 24 years?
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Also, I would think that Morgoth's power could have kept him alive without food.
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Are the years of the Stars considered Valinorian years and thus multiplied by 9+ years? Or, since they've left Valinor this doesn't count anymore. I'm really confused about this. As far as the Noldor coming to ME... Feanor and the rest leave in 1497 (I suppose, earlier in the same year as Maedhros was captured). So, the path of the Helcaraxe would start the same year, I suppose. Then in 1500... Quote:
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I thought there were only 2 ways an elf could die-by weapon or from grief. This confuses me because I recall reading in the Sil that Turgon's wife (don't remember the name) died during the march across the Helcaraxe. How did this happen if elves can only die by weapons or grief?
27 years crossing the Helcaraxe? That's one hell of a long time! Well maybe not to elves since they're immortal. How big was the Helcaraxe anyway?
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Finrod also speaks in the Athrabeth about how the Elves drew their sustenance from Arda Marred, and so that tells me that they eat. Was eating crucial for their lives? I would say so. They were flesh and blood creatures, not robots. Another thing, Tolkien says that the elves were biologically the same as Men.
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