Orcs

trolls' bane · 02-17-2003, 04:58 PM

If elvses are immortal, are orcses!

Elvellyn · 02-17-2003, 06:15 PM

I dont think so because orcs are evil and twisted- unlike the perfect elves.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-17-2003, 08:49 PM

I think that was a problem Tolkien had with the 'Orcs from Elves' idea. If I remember correctly, towards the end of his life, he decided that Orcs are the descendants of Men, not Elves. And this really should be in the ME forum, I think, as it deals with Eldar and Yrch, not those [snobbish voice]OTHER[/snobbish voice] elves and 'orcs' in most fantasy.

***Khamûl*** · 02-18-2003, 12:37 AM

If you mean Tolkien's orcs, this should definitely be in another forum, but I think there's already a topic like this in the Middle Earth forum somewhere.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-18-2003, 05:57 PM

Most likely, there is.

But of course, I don't see how he could mean something else. In few other worlds are Elves immortal; and I think in no other worlds are Orcs even thought to be descended from Elves.

***Khamûl*** · 02-19-2003, 12:00 AM

Right then. Closing.

02-17-2003, 04:58 PM	#1
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Orcs If elvses are immortal, are orcses! __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

02-17-2003, 06:15 PM	#2
Elvellyn The Redneck Elf Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 539	I dont think so because orcs are evil and twisted- unlike the perfect elves. __________________ Oliphants make great pets.

02-17-2003, 08:49 PM	#3
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I think that was a problem Tolkien had with the 'Orcs from Elves' idea. If I remember correctly, towards the end of his life, he decided that Orcs are the descendants of Men, not Elves. And this really should be in the ME forum, I think, as it deals with Eldar and Yrch, not those [snobbish voice]OTHER[/snobbish voice] elves and 'orcs' in most fantasy. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-18-2003, 12:37 AM	#4
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	If you mean Tolkien's orcs, this should definitely be in another forum, but I think there's already a topic like this in the Middle Earth forum somewhere. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

02-18-2003, 05:57 PM	#5
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Most likely, there is. But of course, I don't see how he could mean something else. In few other worlds are Elves immortal; and I think in no other worlds are Orcs even thought to be descended from Elves. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-19-2003, 12:00 AM	#6
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Right then. Closing. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

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