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Finrod and Amarie
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My question is: why would Galadriel ask him this knowing he was betrothed to Amarie even if they were seperated, knowing that he could, and would not choose another?
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02-15-2003, 12:04 AM | #2 |
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How do you know they were married? I doubt Amarië would have stayed behind if they were. I even doubt their love reached full bloom, or that it was made manifest to everyone in Aman. I think Finrod kept his love for her in his heart, and this was hidden from Galadriel.
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I assume Galadriel had just met Celeborn, and love was strongly on her mind at that time. She may have wanted to talk with Finrod about his experience of love and marriage.
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I guess though that if she never loved him, then that shoots Michael Martinez' theory in the foot that Gildor Inglorian was probably Finrod and Amarie's son.
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02-15-2003, 09:31 AM | #8 |
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Since Gildor was not a King or other great lord, that preety much shoots him being Finrods son, whenever he came to middle earth. By the succesion in male line, which is the form followed by the Noldorin Kings (where thoses in senor female lines were apparently passed over for junior male lines) He would have been the chief heir of Finwe in ME. He may, however, have been a grandson or youner generation descendant of Finrod or AraFinwe, through female descent, thus getting getting to named part of the family with being the heir to kingship, or perhaps even a fosterson of Finrod (There were many young elves orphaned during the war of the jewels), getting a family connection in that manner.
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To me, Amarië would be the right queen of Nargothrond.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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Maedhros, before your limbs fall, you believe Celeborn was a Teleri living in Aman, do you? Wasn't that something JRRT wrote very late in life?
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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But if Celeborn is a prince of Alqualondë, and Olwë's grandson, Galadriel and Celeborn would have been too closely related. Smells like incest...And the Eldar did not wed such close kin.
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