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[Artanis]

About Merry and Pip, here I agree with Dúnedain. I don't think they came out as stupid in the movies. I would rather say playful and light-spoken, which is in line with the way Hobbits generally are.

[Ringil]

After Gollum's capture and interrogation (in the book), Faramir says, "Take this creature away, Anborn. Treat him gently, but watch him."

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Artanis
About Merry and Pip, here I agree with Dúnedain. I don't think they came out as stupid in the movies. I would rather say playful and light-spoken, which is in line with the way Hobbits generally are.

They were playful and lightspoken in the flotsom and jetsom scene? "duh duh, I'm pippin " You think that after the way they acted there they have any business being Guard of the Citadel or Warrior of the Mark.

As for Gollum BB - the Gondorians NEVER held Gollum while one person punched him, nor did they then throw him against the wall. He was just afraid that they were going to hurt him in the books.

[Falagar]

About Merry and Pip, here I agree with Dúnedain. I don't think they came out as stupid in the movies. I would rather say playful and light-spoken, which is in line with the way Hobbits generally are.

I think the last scene with Merry and Pippin was very overdone. They weren't exactly stupid, but like they'd breathed some sort of pleasure-gas (don't know what "lyst-gass" is in english)

[Artanis]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
They were playful and lightspoken in the flotsom and jetsom scene? "duh duh, I'm pippin " You think that after the way they acted there they have any business being Guard of the Citadel or Warrior of the Mark.

Yes I do. The Flotsam and Jetsam scene was nice imo, and I thought the "I'm taller than you" competition was funny. They were jesting a lot in the books too, you know. That doesn't mean they weren't serious when the situation called for it.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Falagar
I think the last scene with Merry and Pippin was very overdone. They weren't exactly stupid, but like they'd breathed some sort of pleasure-gas (don't know what "lyst-gass" is in english)

Lauging gas? Anyway - Jackson continued to imply that Pipeweed was pot- even though Tolkien went through the entire history of Pipeweed. Jackson seems to like it to be pot - so he has all these pot jokes.

[Artanis]

Oh - the presence of pipeweed in Isengard should imply that Saruman had some bad business going on in the Shire. But there will be no scouring.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Artanis
Yes I do. The Flotsam and Jetsam scene was nice imo, and I thought the "I'm taller than you" competition was funny. They were jesting a lot in the books too, you know. That doesn't mean they weren't serious when the situation called for it.

They always have a dumb ass expression on their face. They never acted braindead in the books. As I said - it was more innocent than stupid. Look at the tent scene in the beginning of the movie. In the book - Merry and Pippin would not have been stupid enough to light a "rocket" in a tent.

[Artanis]

Hehe - maybe not - but they would perhaps be eager enough, or drunk enough, to do it? I do not care about scenes like that, as long as they are reasonably in character. I don't see them as stupid in the movie. So far I think Pip and Merry have been overall well portrayed. Just my opinion.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Artanis
Hehe - maybe not - but they would perhaps be eager enough, or drunk enough, to do it? I do not care about scenes like that, as long as they are reasonably in character. I don't see them as stupid in the movie. So far I think Pip and Merry have been overall well portrayed. Just my opinion.

I guess I have a different view - because Pippin and Merry were my favorite characters in the book. I thought it would be cool to be their friends. But the movie characters - I would want to just throw them through the wall or just leave them. They're so stupid and idiotic in the movie. They would quickly get on my nerves. Whereas in the book they were just carefree and innocent.

As another example of their stupidity - look at the Council of Elrond scene.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Artanis
Hehe - maybe not - but they would perhaps be eager enough, or drunk enough, to do it? I do not care about scenes like that, as long as they are reasonably in character. I don't see them as stupid in the movie. So far I think Pip and Merry have been overall well portrayed. Just my opinion.

I agree Artanis, I like the way they are so far as well. Besides they have had serious scenes in the movie so far as well. In FotR, Merry got composed and banded everyone together to get Frodo out of the Shire. In TTT, Pippin says to Merry that maybe they should just go back to the shire, showing his "innocence", whereby Merry paints the bigger picture for him about how there "won't be a shire" left. Then later we see Pippin growing more and helping Treebeard rouse the Ents. Even though that is a deviation from the book, it helps show him growing.

Ultimately, the parts where Pippin has been a so-called "goof" and stuff like that just shows me his innocent youth and light hearted nature. Merry is more serious in the movies thus far than Pippin has been, and I think that's a direct result of the showing of their "hobbit ages" as they were in the book.

That's just a few things, but I still like their characters thus far. The only character I've had any problems with so far is Faramir, but not so much, because I like the way he redeemed himself in the end.

P.S. I also don't think Jackson is making the pipeweed to be pot, but that's just my opinion, I just think he is showing it as something that the hobbits value and love as something from home...

[jerseydevil]

Well my opinion is that they are complete morons and completely annoying.