06-20-2002, 12:59 AM | #21 | |
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06-20-2002, 01:08 AM | #22 |
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Oh, yes, I know.
I never meant to infer that they were the same 'ism' if you will, but I thought it was slightly ironic since they are similiar in foundation and process. Agreed, not the same.
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06-20-2002, 01:26 PM | #23 |
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I believe he saw Communism as a betrayal of Socialist ideas, or at least the way it was applied to ruling countries.
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06-22-2002, 10:05 PM | #24 |
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Yeah... I think Orwell was a democratic socialist, opposed to Stalinism, not the actual Communist ideal. A true socialist society would not have the dramatic class differences and separation that are found in Orwell's Ingsoc.
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07-11-2002, 05:59 PM | #25 |
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I had to read Animal Farm for English a couple of months ago, and I think that although it was well-written, I would never have finished it if I didn't have to for school! Eek! And now, I have to read 1984 this summer for my English Honours class next year. I'm still in the first section of 1984, I'm not enjoying it at all. Actually, one of the first things that came into my mind when I started reading it was that it is kinda like a 'continuation' of Animal Farm, but with people. Know what I mean? It's kinda like Animal Farm was Part I, in which the world began to be corrupted, and 1984 is Part II, where it is fully corrupted. Does that make sense???
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07-12-2002, 01:57 AM | #26 |
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Good observation!
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07-12-2002, 05:23 PM | #27 |
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so if i've read animal farm and wanted to progress onto something else you would recommend 1984?
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07-12-2002, 06:40 PM | #28 |
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Yes, but of course, I'd say that you should read 1984 in any case.
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07-13-2002, 12:03 PM | #30 |
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i'll give it a go then. i'll let you know how i get on.
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07-19-2002, 11:27 PM | #31 |
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I read Animal Farm when I was about ten. Emotionally scaring. I just read 1984 for english next year (in the process of writing a report on it, in fact- well, that is to say, procrastinating furiously ). It's rather disturbing, I was reading it in the car as we were going to Wal-Mart one day, and then, when we got there, I stepped out of the car and there's this big sign 'security cameras in use' and all the cameras on the roof; frightening really, Big Brother is watching!
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07-29-2002, 10:11 AM | #33 |
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well i've got it! my dad bought me 1984 so i've started reading it. i'm only a few chapters in but am already finding it rather disturbing.i take it it gets worse right?
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07-29-2002, 01:24 PM | #34 |
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08-03-2002, 12:36 PM | #35 |
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i see what you mean.
i don't think i've ever read a book which required me to think that much.i had to reread several parts of it, trying to let it sink in. i think i'll read it again when i'm older though.as a younger reader i think some of it when right over my head.
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08-22-2002, 03:04 PM | #36 |
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Can anyone help me with the theme of 1984?
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08-31-2002, 08:58 PM | #37 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackheart
1984 could hardly have ended any other way. They couldn't terminate him until he was a loyal member of the party again. To do otherwise only creates martyrs. Yes his whole point was "if you are no use to the state, you are no use at all" which is the essence of 1984. Orwell was not a social democrat...........social democracy is wot the Nazi's called themselves. I think orwell was more of a social realist, find your place.......or be found |
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