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![]() A.) Every one gets to come back to life except Boromir...Is that fair!
B.) Was he losing his mind while writting ROTK... I mean Frodo is naked half the time and Eowyn wants to be a healer over a queen, not to mention Beregond dies in the battle of the ring and then comes back to life to be sent to defend "Prince" Faramir~ and Eowyn in Imathil* *spelling? ~I think he became a prince...feel free to correct me |
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Re: A bone to pick with Tolkien
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B.) Frodo is naked once. Eowyn sees that she cannot love Aragorn, he is spoken for, and anyway she loves Faramir more. She never had the option of being queen, and her wound made her think and decide to be a healer. I don't recall Beregond dying in the first place.
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Hmmm Elffriend I think you need to read the book a few more times. And try the Appendixes they are very helpful for the confused mind!
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I'm not sure what you're on about RE: Beregond. There were two. One was a steward, and one was a guard of Gondor.
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Hmmm I don't remember there being a Steward named Beregond let me consult my Book..... Ok you're right!
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I don't think Tolkien was losing his mind while writing ROTK, but I too felt disappointed by the outcome of Eowyn's story. I was kind of hoping while reading the book that maybe Eowyn could somehow wind up queen of Rohan. I know it couldn't have happened, but I wanted it to. And I also never loved Faramir much, so I didn't get into their love story. My biggest beef with ROTK was that I felt Legolas and Gimli really got shortchanged. The battle goes on for pages, and in the aftermath, Tolkien finally says "Oh, and Legolas and Gimli were there too." That's the impression I remember anyway.
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Off topic: I thought
Anyways, I thought Rotk was fantastic, no beefs, Love Eowyn and Faramir together, and the parts with Frodo werent like 'ooh hes naked' it was just adding to his turmoil! Love Samwise the brave! ![]() ~Celebréiel
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Well, naked hobbits isn't exactly something new to RotK. There was that incident with Tom Bombadil...
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i thought beregond died.well now im happy
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About Legolas and Gimli: I always thought that Tolkien mentioned them too less. I mean I didn't realize that they already had left until I realized that they were not mentioned anymore in RotK. If you know what I mean.
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~I know what you mean about Legolas and Gimli and when they leave I really couldn't tell but had to assume thats when they left.
~The only problem I have is about Frodo he seems...so very very dependent on Sam and it bugs me sometimes. Namárië
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And I know what you mean silverleaf. It was kinda strange that Sam lived in Frodos "house" in the end.
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I'd say Sam is subordinate to Frodo.
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Sam was the servant of the house. Also, Frodo was terribly worn by bearing the Ring. I'm sorry, but I fail to see what bugs?
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Plus, Frodo had Bag End all to himself- I imagine he would have gotten lonely without Bilbo or Sam. They had become quite close, I'd imagine, during their journey.
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I wouldn't have said anything, if Sam moved to Frodo alone, but Sam was married and had children.
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Sam served Frodo-why would he move out. How, on servant's wages would he move out. The Shire is modeled on England. Servants lived with their masters.
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