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Sapling
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![]() Hi! I'm new here! I was wondering if there is anybody here that knows Elvish and would be willing to teach me through email or something? Please help me! I really really really really really wanna learn!!!!!
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Elven Warrior
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Hello Arwen! Welcome to Entmoot! I don't know any elvish but if you go to this website, http://www.grey-company.org/Language, I think there are some downloadable things like a translator and some common phrases. You could always just try searching for sites about elvish and some might pop-up, that's how I found this one. Hope it helps.
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I Antha
Join Date: Sep 2002
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If anyone does know elvish can they teach me too! Please!
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You guys might want to check out the Writing in Tengwar thread - you write English using Elvish characters. It's really fun! And easier than learning an entire language. You might want to start there.
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www.ardalambion.com is also a really good site. Pretty technical, though.
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it depends what kind of Elvish you want to learn. I don't know about Sindarin, but Quenya I can give you some important sites for.
http://hot-elf.com/learnelvish.html and http://www.grey-company.org/Circle/language/elv2com.htm on the first one there are lessons to learn Quenya and some other stuff and on the second one it is from elvish to common, but if you go all the way down, then you will see Elvish Phrases and Common to elvish. all this stuff is quenya. I am learning Quenya right now, so if you need help with anything please PM me, and I will e-mail or just pm you with information. I hope that those web-sites helped you some!
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One cannot learn Quenya, or Sindarin -- or anyway, one cannot fluently speak it, or become an expert in it (though one can say that another is an expert of what we have of Quenya or Sindarin to work with). There is not enough vocabulary.
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Custous Sanctus
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There is enough to say pretty much what you want. and besides, if someone wants to learn it, don't tell them the annoying things about it. it is very good if you want to learn a new language (sp). it improves your memory. you can become a expert in Quenya; but you might have to add a few words. like thingimabobber. or something that JRRT simply forgot about, like computer. once you know the language fluently, you can add words that you think would be cool or interesting. there is never something wrong with trying to learn a new language. (no offense or anything, but you sound like boromir with the one ring. "one cannot simply walk into mordor.....")
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I elenfea
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Ya, I'm currently studying Quenya and there's this wonderful website called L.E.A.F. It stands for Learning Elvish Among Friends. They give you lessons on sentence structure and pluralizing verbs and such. (I hate grammar, but they make it so easy) Then they give you a vocab list to study, and you take quizzes and stuff! Good luck! L.E.A.F.
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*puts hand on face and sighs.* oh goodness sake, not again. Let me get back to you on that. I have to go have Thanksgiving Dinner now. but I assure you, when I get back I will put up a very large argument.
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Elf Lord
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I will be glad to crush it. *makes snapping noise with mouth* Like chicken-bone.
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Suilad!
(which basically means “hello!” in Sindarin) Of course it is good to learn a new language! ![]() However, I must also agree with Ñólendil. There is barely enough vocabulary existant to construct roughly what one wants to say if one wishes to remain relatively true to the language. Constructions are sometimes forced and awkward. Even the most learned experts are not “fluent” in the languages (by their own admission!) Problem is – the dear Professor just never really finished the languages, and he continually refined and updated existing forms rather than creating new vocabulary. He seemed to create on an “as needed” basis, so words he never got around to using just don’t exist. He also never anticipated teaching his languages to masses of people, and so neglected to develop the grammatical helps and texts we need. ![]() Quenya is a more complete language than Sindarin, and newcomers are usually advised to begin there. There is an excellent course available on the Ardalambion site. However, Sindarin is the language used by the Elves of Middle-earth in the Third age, and the one most often heard in the dialogue of the movie. There are also several excellent articles on this, the language of the Grey Elves. Here is a link to the FAQ’s for the elfling discussion group. http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html#section1 It will answer many questions about the languages and provide many links. The elfling group is one of the premier Tolkien language discussion boards around. Many “experts” frequent the board occasionally, even including David Salo who wrote the dialogue lines for the movie. It is a good place to discuss your translation efforts. Here are some more links to excellent and reliable sites. Please note that differences of opinion concerning what is “correct” exists even between these “expert” sites! Ardalambion – Quenya course and many language helps – start here! http://www.Ardalambion.com Fellowship of the Wordsmiths – Movie dialogue explained, excellent grammar helps and links http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie.htm Online Sindarin Dictionary – great! http://www.geocities.com/almacq.geo/sindar/ Mellonath Daeron – more language helps http://forodrim.letsrock.nu/daeron/md_home.html Fun site – Sindarin tutorial http://site.voila.fr/tol_gannel/index.html Vinyar Tengwar is a newsletter dedicated to publishing new information on Tolkien’s languages. http://www.elvish.org/VT/ Note: I am not an expert, I am still learning the language; but I am willing to exchange emails with those interested in learning and translating Sindarin. Ithildin55
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I Antha
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Quenya is hard!
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Custous Sanctus
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Learning any new language is hard, duddun.
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![]() Vedui! Creoso a'entmoot! (Greetings! Welcome to Entmoot!)
![]() Elvish is quite hard to learn, I'm still learning! ![]() Aa' menealle nauva calen ar' malta (May your ways be green and golden (as put below ![]()
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Hobbit
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Suilad,
I had not visited the Grey Company site before, and after checking it out, there is one little detail you should probably know… The language described as “Elvish” on the Grey company site is not Tolkien’s Elvish. It does seem to be based upon his languages and contains elements of both Sindarin and Quenya mixed up together. As a constructed language, I suppose it is as valid to learn as any other, but if you are really wanting to learn the languages represented in Tolkien’s works, try some of the sites I listed in my previous post. ![]() Happy learning! Ithildin55
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Enting
Join Date: Aug 2001
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"Grey Company Elven/Tel'Mithrim" is indeed not reliable, and moreover not intended to accurately represent JRRTs invented languages.
"GCE" is for roleplaying. Last edited by cian : 11-30-2002 at 12:44 AM. |
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Enting
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![]() Quick example: according to expert David Salo your first word "vedui" does not mean greetings -- the word is actually medui "last", and occurs elsewhere in an environment where lenition is triggered -- na vedui "at last". This is Sindarin, which includes consonant mutations in certain environments (compare Welsh). As already said, check out Ardalambion (and links) for a scholarly look at JRRTs invented langs. ¤ Last edited by cian : 11-30-2002 at 12:42 AM. |
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Sapling
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Thank you all for helping me out with my want to learn Elvish. I really appreciate it! I'm sorry it took so long to post this but i have been kinda busy so i haven't been online in forever, maybe almost a week, so i didn't get to post this until now. But anyhow, thank you all very much and i'll check out the sites when i can and i'll brief you all on how i'm doing!!
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