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09-01-2004, 11:29 AM | #1 |
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400 Held Hostage in Russian School
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ssia_school_dc What do you guys think? What will be the outcome of all this trouble between Islamic extremists and the West?
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09-01-2004, 11:39 AM | #2 |
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Do you know how many children have been killed?
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09-01-2004, 02:48 PM | #3 |
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i last read 8 but i also read it was only 200 hostages ona different site.
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09-01-2004, 04:12 PM | #4 |
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Well almost 50 escaped or more likely were released so it must have been over 100 but I don't think they'd have killed so many so soon.
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09-01-2004, 05:53 PM | #5 |
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*sigh* These people need to have their heads banged together.
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09-01-2004, 11:02 PM | #6 |
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This is just so sad. What evil cowards to target not only innocent people, but children. I just can't understand these people. I wish they could resolve this Chechnya thing. Isn't that who's doing it?
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09-02-2004, 02:18 AM | #7 | |
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This is just horrible. I see the pictures of the mothers and try to imagine how they feel. It's unbearable.
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We should perhaps also remember that millions are silently dying of hunger and diseases other places in the world, most of them are children. Only their death is not up front in the media. The fight against terrorism is perhaps not the most important task.
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09-02-2004, 02:45 AM | #8 |
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Some of those children must be no older than me.
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These people want you to be either Moslem or dead. They don't seem to care much which it is.
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its absolutely abhorrent what they have done and really they all need to be shot for it (rule number ONE: dont f@%$ with children...) but the russians dont exactly have perfectly clean hands in how the deal with the chechnyans themselves. their reign has been just as brutal and really its pushed a lot of the extreme people to do stupid unconscionable extreme things like this because they see no other options. those two women that blew up the airliners recently? they were both widows (or one was a widow and one was as sister) of chechnyan's who had been captured and brutally killed by the russians. the swore a vow of revenge. on their lives. because they felt such abject hatred for what had happened to them and to their family members. they werent looking to convert anyone. just take revenge.
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09-02-2004, 02:07 PM | #14 |
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The article I saw described the countrymen they want freed as 'fighters'.
Some of my comments referred to other Islamic extremist terrorists (general statements about the movement).
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09-02-2004, 11:53 PM | #16 |
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Waitaminute, you can utterly despise the actions of the few, but to be completely unsympathetic to the reasoning behind the actions? The so-called "fighters" they're asking to be freed were, I believe, taken in a savage night raid undertaken by the russians. The Russian govt is not guilt-less here. While I do not sympathise with these terrorists, I do sympathise with the Chechens. I feel for the widows, and families that are left without fathers and mothers because of the Russian acts of "terror".
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09-03-2004, 12:04 AM | #17 |
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You misunderstand my point. A cause can be meaningful and just, but when terrorists resort to the kind of violence that means brutal killings of innocent people and children, I believe their cause is no longer just or valid because they mask their brutality with the true cause to justify their actions. So again, I do not sympathize with the cause of terrorists.
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But. These Rebels do have a good case against the Russians. The Russkies have brutalised and killed many of their people, and have occupied their country for tens of years. The rebels DO have cause to be a little miffed. However, and this I agree with, their subsequent acts negate any claim they may have in regards to their cause. But I do contend that they are not killing and kidnaping for the sake of TV ratings. One must consider the REASONS for their acts. Did they wake up and decide to kidnap 200 kids, or what? While they (the terrorists) are to blame, they most certianly are not the only ones.
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09-03-2004, 06:35 AM | #19 |
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I wonder if the terrorists have chosen children as hostages this time because of what happened in the Moscow theatre. The Russian authorities are unable to use gas this time, it would kill the children.
What a dilemma for president Putin. Negotiate or give in to the terrorists and save the children? Or refuse to give anything no matter how many of the hostages are killed?
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09-03-2004, 06:44 AM | #20 |
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One unfortunate thing too is that anytime terrorists are successful with having their demands granted when they take hostages, what does that do? It encourages more terrorists to take hostages.
This will sound quite cruel, but is it your duty, if you're a world leader, to consider those who are taken hostage as dead already? Then you do what you have to do - and if you can save some, all the better? It would be awful for those who are hostages that day, but does it save everyone else from greater likelihood of being made a hostage? Please note that I'm not convinced of this nor advocating it... I just raise the question.
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