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For instance, in Cary Grant's Arsenic and Old Lace (now now, don't laugh, at least until you start watching it ), he had two aunts who were quite kooky. One time, a kinless elderly gentleman had come to their place for tea, had a heart attack, and died sitting in the chair. When they saw the look of peace on his face, they decided to help other lonely old gentleman find the same peace. They amassed a total of 12 (including him). Now, they were by no means EVIL (like Jonathan, the brother of Grant's character ); what they did was certainly wrong, but they were quite a ways off their rockers, and they had no concept of what they had done. In such a case, I don't think the DP would have been appropriate. But JONATHAN was a very evil person, and as he had gotten just as many as they had, I would think it would have been appropriate for him. Really, by the time someone is 16, I would think they would know that murder is wrong. Heck, if I were to commit murder (me being 18), I would in all likelihood believe that I should receive the death penalty, and maybe even plead for it.
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05-25-2003, 11:37 PM | #142 |
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Well, consider this. As my parents brought me up, the elder child was always considered more responsible than others. They were given greater responsibilities. Don't you consider that logical?
At the same time, they were given greater priveledges (Staying up late, etc.). But also at the same time, they get the worse of it when it comes between two people arguing. When two people are arguing, one 13 and one 7, and they both are kicking at each other and fighting, and both are equally guilty of starting the fight, will you punish both equally? Or if a baby burps loudly in company to attract attention to itself, and someone 8 years old burps also, for a joke. Which one will be considered more at fault? |
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As a sort of side-note about the topic, if I had my way, rapists would get the death sentence. Such a horrific crime I think deserves no less.
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05-25-2003, 11:53 PM | #144 |
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It does apply to matters of greater importance as well. That's the reason why I think the devil is going to be punished far worse than any human. Because humans lack the knowledge the devil had when he went against God.
Children might be brought up in surroundings that encourage that kind of behavior. This lessens their own particular guilt, in my opinion, though it doesn't lessen the horribleness of their crime. Their age makes them less responsible for their actions in this case than an adult would be. An adult should know better- children, who are more impressionable, might not have to know so much better. I'm not making judgements about specific crimes. I have no opinion at present on what deserves the death and what doesn't. Perhaps children should be killed for certain crimes, but what I'm saying is that their age certainly has to be taken into account, just as it is taken into account by parents disputing problems. And just as Jesus Christ takes our knowledge into account when dealing out judgement on us. Maturity and knowledge are important, and knowledge frequently comes with maturity. Maturity isn't as great at younger age than it is at an older one, so the person with the younger age frequently has less knowledge than the older individual. And knowledge does have a vital affect upon the judgement. That's why insane people are judged differently from sane people, because they don't have the knowledge about what they're doing. That is why I agree with you about Arsenic and Old Lace, which I also like, by the way . In the Bible, Jesus says that he who sins knowingly will be beaten with many blows, while he who sins unknowingly is beaten with few blows. That seems just to me, and I believe that the knowledge comes with maturity, and evidence shows that maturity comes with age. |
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2) Yes, I suppose I agree with this as well. 3) I disagree. Their mental status makes them less responsible, not their age, though the two are often related. 4) Frequently has less knowledge. I agree. 5) Agreed. 6) Three Cheers for Cary Grant! And his dear old aunties, too! (And don't forget Teddy ) 7) Agree. Maturity does come with age, but at different rates for different people. For instance, some of the thirteen year olds (LadyofIthilien and Laurelyn come to mind) are probably more mature than some of the older folks here (like me ). I do agree that maturity comes with age. But as it varies from person to person, I think that age should not be taken into account so much as knowledge, wisdom, or maturity.
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I agree completely. But do you think it's possible or good, in all court settings, for people to judge children based upon our belief of their mental status?
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I think that it is probably wise to judge based on the average mental status for the age group (or rather probably better somewhat lower), unless there is good reason to believe otherwise. Of course, no one can really judge the maturity of a person except those who know them (especially their family), but they wouldn't be allowed in the jury, and with derngood reason.
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Precisely. That's exactly what happens, also, and you have just arrived at the conclusion I have drawn. That's why I think children's age should be taken into account when the verdict is decided upon.
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No, their MATURITY should be taken into account, which is best measured by "outsiders" by their age. The age is only a medium.
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Of course . But because the maturity cannot be fairly judged, the age is used as a device to put our best guess on the amount of maturity.
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-pretty much agrees with Lief-
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There are mainly two reasons why I'm opposed to the death penalty:
1. I sincerely believe that every individual have a right to life, no matter what. It does not mean that I think life is sacred. I also think people should have the right to take their own life, if they so wish. 2. Putting someone to death is irrevocable. What if the person executed is innocent? Even 12 persons in a jury can be wrong.
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As white supremicists - I think the gouging out of the eyes and having their brains slowly sucked out by a straw might be too humane for them.
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Here's my post from the NEWS-girl killed by mechanic in FL thread. Looks like the death sentence thread needs a bump!
I didn't know Europeans protested when you have an execution. This caused me to look for a list of all countries who still have it. Though a lot of executions occur in the US, from what I found on the Amnesty International site, China and Iran have more. Yugoslavia and Russia are the only European countries on the list. Maybe they don't get protested because they're not in the EU. Countries who still have the death penalty: AFGHANISTAN ALGERIA ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA ARMENIA BAHAMAS BAHRAIN BANGLADESH BARBADOS BELARUS BELIZE BENIN BOTSWANA BURKINA FASO BURUNDI CAMEROON CHAD CHILE CHINA COMOROS CONGO (Democratic Republic) CUBA DOMINICA EGYPT EQUATORIAL GUINEA ERITREA ETHIOPIA GABON GHANA GUATEMALA GUINEA GUYANA INDIA INDONESIA IRAN IRAQ JAMAICA JAPAN JORDAN KAZAKSTAN KENYA KUWAIT KYRGYZSTAN LAOS LEBANON LESOTHO LIBERIA LIBYA MALAWI MALAYSIA MAURITANIA MONGOLIA MOROCCO MYANMAR NIGERIA NORTH KOREA OMAN PAKISTAN PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PHILIPPINES QATAR RUSSIAN FEDERATION RWANDA SAINT CHRISTOPHER AND NEVIS SAINT LUCIA SAINT VINCENT AND GRENADINES SAUDI ARABIA SIERRA LEONE SINGAPORE SOMALIA SOUTH KOREA SUDAN SWAZILAND SYRIA TAIWAN TAJIKISTAN TANZANIA THAILAND TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO TUNISIA TURKMENISTAN UGANDA UKRAINE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UZBEKISTAN VIET NAM YEMEN YUGOSLAVIA (Federal Republic) ZAMBIA ZIMBABWE List from here.
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This is the kind of fence looking we get from Europe...
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[QUOTE]"Bush has built his race to the White House on a road paved with those have been put to death," she added.[QUOTE]
This is really unnecessary. She isnt campaigning against the death penalty here, she is using it to campaign against President Bush. Whoever this woman is needs to stay on the issue, espically since she just got done saying the same thing. How great are these times that the death penalty is too barbaric? We have some pretty terrible things going on, and now, we're supposed to have sympthy for criminals too? Wait till someone kills my wife and kid, then see how much sympthy I have. Also, maybe then I'll learn to spell.
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According to BBC - this is a picture of protesters in Madrid protesting the execution of McVeigh
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Also this article erroneously says that Bush oversaw more than 130 executions. Bush had nothing to do with executions in Texas - it's their laws - which were there BEFORE Bush entered into office. Quote:
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