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Luckily you are not a woman JD, and you will never be tormented with such a decision! I think it's obviously a VERY fine line here. (is it killing or not) Hopefully the young women who have read this thread will take proper precautions so as to never put themselves in the position of having to make the decision to stop a life.
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I know someone that had a child aborted though - and I know she thinks about it all the time. I don't know the occurences of the whole situation - but she was married at the time. Her marriage was a mess though. From what I gathered - her husband may have forced her - hoping she'd get pregnant so she'd stay. She didn't want to bring a child into that environment. She told me that she knows when the child's birthday would be and how old it would be now. It's not an easy choice - and I never said it was.
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11-16-2002, 11:40 PM | #128 | |
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Let us suppose that a fetus is alive. Isn't ending that life then killing the unborn child? And if something is killed, isn't it dead? Therefore, the child in question would have HAD to die in order to not be born. Obviously this argument only applies to people who think the unborn baby is truly alive. And yes, there are some pro-abortionists (not all) that have said the fetus is alive, but that the mother's right to choose is indeed more important than the unborn child's right not to be killed. |
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11-17-2002, 12:08 AM | #129 |
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You know what really bothers me about the views of people that are against abortion? And before I start, let me just say that I respect those views, and eventhough I don't agree with their opinion, I will defend to the death their right to have it. I expect the same.
Now to answer my own question with a question. Why is it that anti-abortionists who stand out in front of women's clinics protesting and trying to interfere with the free choice of these women, are never there after they have convined the woman to have the baby. Once that baby is born the anti abortionists go back into the wood work. They don't want to concern themselves with the liives of that mother and baby once it is here. Anti-abortionists are constantly preaching about the sanctity of life. Why then are so many abortion clinics bombed, and if life is so important to them, why do they, and I am not saying all, kill the doctors that perform abortions? They were babies too you know. Can anyone honestly say that a teen at the age of 14 should have a baby? Is that the best thing for that girl, or that baby? Are any of you that support having that baby ready to step in and make their lives better and help them? Don't give me the answer that there is always adoption. After a woman has carried a baby, gone through the pain of labor and delivery and held that baby, it's not easy to say good bye. On the other hand, you can't miss something you never had. Answers please. Change my mind if you can. Convince me that I am wrong.
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11-17-2002, 12:20 AM | #131 |
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Still pro-choice ty.
Hmm been reading this thread with interest.
One thing amazes me.................those agreeing with anti-abortion continue to live in country that practices abortion. If abortion is murder why on earth do you live a country whose government allows the murder of people legally? I certainly could not comfortably live in a place where the authorities allow murder to be commited on a daily basis. Last edited by Coney : 11-17-2002 at 12:27 AM. |
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I would say that even though it's not that easy to give your baby up, It would be the right thing to do, better than stopping it's life. The best thing to do, would have been not to have gotten pregnant. (I'm not including rape here) I got birth control pills before I lost my virginity, And it wasn't easy! I had to hitch-hike downtown to Bell-Flower clinic, (with two other girl friends), three times, because I was underage (16). I was young and dumb for sure, but at least I knew I didn't want to have a baby. I see your point though SGH. There is no easy answer. I am not one who would ever picket an abortion clinic!! It's really the woman's (or girl's ) call. If abortion were made illegal, some would still get them anyway. I would like to see easy access to birth control, and a cultural shift to percieving abortion as a terrible thing to do, not just the last method of birth control.
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I forgot to add to what I would like to see..... Less cramming of sex down young peoples throats, by the entertainment industry.
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Lizra: that is not a problem limited to the entertainment industry. In fact, I don't think entertainment is even a major factor.
THe problem is that too many people, including most constituents of abortion, support the ideology that no person should be held to a standard by another. And so promiscuious sexuallity is ok.
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