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03-29-2005, 05:20 PM | #1321 | ||
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There are quite a few Marys in the Bible. There are three mentioned at the foot of the cross when Jesus is dying, and they're all Marys: his mother Mary, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. I have heard that many people think Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, but I don't see any place in the 4 gospels where this is said.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 05:22 PM | #1322 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 05:23 PM | #1323 | |
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03-29-2005, 05:25 PM | #1324 | |
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03-29-2005, 05:31 PM | #1325 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 05:31 PM | #1326 |
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An idea my dad mentioned once:Some Biblical scholars believe "Adam and Eve" referred to a the whole of civilization at that time--more than just two people. Apparently in original texts Adam can mean "man" as in humankind (and also "dust" I believe?). The original sin and fall A & E went through would be representative of what all human creation went through.
Mary Magdalene...what is the issue here? I do think she was referred to as a prostitute JD and RÃ*, but that she was a repentent sinner who had turned from her previous ways (and treated as a repentent Christian by Jesus).
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03-29-2005, 05:34 PM | #1327 | ||
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03-29-2005, 05:36 PM | #1328 | |
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03-29-2005, 05:45 PM | #1329 |
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http://www.catholicherald.com/saunde...s/ws040722.htm
^very well explains the Mary Magdalene issues (and the other Marys, and if she was the same as Mary of Bethany, and why her "gnostic gospel" was thrown out...) literal versus figurative...do you expect it to be totally one or the other? I think some of it is literal and some figurative, and then that creates big theological debates on issues (like communion, for example). Anyway, don't a lot of things need interpretation? Just because something could be interpreted in different ways shouldn't discredit it. Some people have interpreted Adam & Eve to refer to mankind in general because that is the way it makes logical sense to them. They could be wrong, we just don't know. Help me RÃ*, what is our response to "twisting the Bible to mean anything we want"? ~ EDIT: I don't think the Bible was meant to explain every tiny itsy bitsy detail to us. That would make it way too big for anyone to study or for lay people to read...not quite the point.
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Evolutionist Francisco Ayala says that humans are heterozygous for 6.7% of their genes, on the average. Given this figure, Ayala calculates a single human couple could produce 10 to the 2,017 children (mathematically, not phsically ) before they would have to produce an identical twin. That's 1 followed by 2017 zeroes. The number of known atoms in the universe is 10 to the 80. This is nothing at all compared with the variety that is present in just two humans. Quote:
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All of us (except albinos) have exactly the same skin coloring agent - melanin. We all have the same basic skin color, just differing amounts of it. The amount of skin color we have depends on at least 2 pairs of genes, which we'll call A and B. People with the darkest skin color have AABB and those with very light skin have aabb. People with two capital letter genes would be medium-skinned, and people with 1 or 3 would be a shade lighter or darker. Starting with two parents of AaBb, if you do a genetic square, you'll see that you can get ALL skin types in just one generation. And this is in fact what you see in places like India. Some Indians are the darkest dark, and others very light, even in the same family. If dark or light skinned people migrate into the same place and have kids, then eventually they'll lose the variability and produce only light or dark kids. But if they get together again, you'll again see the full range of skin colors, as in the West Indies. Quote:
I'm considering going back to plan B
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 05:54 PM | #1332 | |
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I don't think you'll find any.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 05:56 PM | #1333 | |
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JD, It doesn't prove that the third point is historically accurate, but it certainly suggests that your reportage of the third point is accurate. That report may be reliable. The actual claims made by the person you are reporting about would then be assessed as "historically made claims" and their truth value assessed. See?
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03-29-2005, 05:59 PM | #1334 |
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Every Civilization must re-discover and re-invent spirituality for itself. Every time it winds up a mish mash of leftovers and new discoveries.
If you think this is good, or bad, you have missed the point. It is not good, nor bad, it just is. My personal opinion is that the old religions are dying. They are based on outmoded spiritual and social needs that no longer apply to a large portion of humanity. We are in the midst of another cycle of course. It's difficult for humans to percieve such things with a limited lifespan. A lot of this is just the fallout from the Renaissance. Which was only 400 odd years ago... Whatever new vision of spirituality that emerges will quickly be set upon by those of you who have security isues and needs. It will be codified, dogmatized, and turned into religion. And then the process will start all over, with the inevitable bloodshed, ignorance, acceptence, and finally complaceny and degeneration. And for all that, the only ones who are remotely close to any kind of universal truth are the ones that keep insisting that they don't know....
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03-29-2005, 06:06 PM | #1337 | |
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I think the best response would be to read thru Matthew 5 and John 15 and I Corinthians 4 and II Corinthians 4 I"m not giving the actual verses on purpose; see what you think is relevant, if anything, and let me know via PM However, if someone claims that something is actually said in the Bible, then we can ask them for a reference, as I did with JD. He was unable to provide a quote where the Bible said that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, so his claim that the Bible says this is unsupported.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 06:07 PM | #1338 | |
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03-29-2005, 06:10 PM | #1339 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-29-2005, 06:12 PM | #1340 |
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how is atheism comforting?
some animist religions, especially from central africa, can be construed as disturbing, not comforting, and they are atheistic |
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