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09-08-2004, 01:57 PM | #101 | |
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09-09-2004, 06:07 AM | #102 |
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Sorry, I have no idea what you're saying here. The elections I referred to were in Chechnya, for their equivalent of a state governor. Basically, the ballot was rigged so that a pro-Moscow candidate won. International observers concluded that they were not free and fair elections. Source: BBC The question is not whether the Russians want to separate from Chechnya (they clearly don't), but whether the Chechnyans want to separate from Russia. Last edited by The Gaffer : 09-09-2004 at 06:14 AM. |
09-09-2004, 12:59 PM | #103 | |
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And of that I say, JD, you know nothing of Ulster or its current problems, so dont act as though you do. When was the last time YOU were in Derry passing through checkpoints? At least Gaff is in the ball park talking about Eire, and you mate, you are not even in the game... Damn it man, you don't know everything. And in this case, dealing with the Troubles, you know nothing. Oh and P.S. I dont give a stuff if you reply to what I say. Perhaps you now know how it feels to be constantly assailed on the moot? Perhaps those countless others whom you have bullied off this board know the feeling as well? Like my life's pursuit is to get up and log on to tease you.
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09-09-2004, 01:04 PM | #104 | |
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Thats damn on the point. What is the underlying reason for this current madness. Did these rebels wake up and decide to take a school hostage because they needed the self esteem boost? So why did they do it. Why did terrorists just attack the Australian Embassy? Why did terrorists slam planes into the WTC? Did they wake up and think, " yes, the sun is high, and their are no clouds; I think I'll suicide in the name of Allah...."
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09-09-2004, 01:26 PM | #105 | |
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09-09-2004, 01:37 PM | #106 | |
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Let's keep the discussion and the posts about the topics... not about each other. In THIS case, you're stepping out of line in this regard. Although I see someone else is already on top of it.
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09-09-2004, 01:41 PM | #107 | |
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Still - if the Chechen separatists want to make progress, it cannot be through terrorism. Perhaps all the rest of us are over-slow in responding to their plight. But now that some among them have done like this, our best recourse is to back Russia. Otherwise, terrorism becomes the best way to accomplish otherwise unattainable goals... and then pity us all!
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09-09-2004, 02:27 PM | #108 | |
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I wonder what the majority of Chechenia wants: to stay in Russia or to be independant. We know a small group at least (in this case the rebel fighters and terrorists) wants to but I frankly have no clue what the rest of the Chechenians wants.
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09-09-2004, 03:11 PM | #110 | |
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USSR freed all the countries that were part of it - it was already divided to republics. (15 - all of them are now independence. And only they are.) Chechnya wasn't one of them - it was part of Russia, as it is today. So they didn't get their independence, as opposed to Ukraine, or Estonia, or Turkemanistan. (sp. long word) |
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09-09-2004, 03:11 PM | #111 | |
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In a nutshell, if Chechnya had been given its soverignty it would quickly become a wealthy part of Eastern Europe. If it's held by the Russians, the wealth and convienience of not having to actually pay Chechnya for export duties and land tax for their oil companies is not a problem. As usual, it's all about money. |
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09-09-2004, 03:12 PM | #112 | |
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09-09-2004, 03:25 PM | #114 | |
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Still though, from reading it, it sounds to me like Chechnya was part of a separate republic. Can you use your internet magic to summon something that will tell us about the 15 republics of the USSR and what became of each of them?
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09-09-2004, 03:37 PM | #115 | |
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http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...st%20Republics There's a table in there - with the list of the republic. Edit - I just go to Google by the way. That's all the secret. You'd be surprised how easy it is. Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 09-09-2004 at 03:39 PM. |
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Interesting... and very good! Thanks!
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And actually... perhaps it complicates the wishes of the Chechens, but simplifies the apparent solution... it seems more clear that it IS a part of Russia than I had thought it was.
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09-09-2004, 04:11 PM | #119 | |
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09-10-2004, 08:55 AM | #120 |
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What a tragedy. Nearly everyone in so small a town lost a loved one. The horrific conditions the people- CHILDREN- were kept in were shocking. Not even allowing them water in the sweltering heat?! |
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