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09-13-2003, 01:18 PM | #61 | |
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This is where the intricate detail of Tolkien really comes into play if PJ had shown the vision which frodo get when he wears the ring at the end of fellowship then we would know the lonely mountian was under attack as was Mirkwood as was Lorien therefore he would not of needed to put them in there so people didnt say hey where all them Elves got to! Now as for when he dies i acctually liked that scean quite a bit i think he did a good job of sending the message we should not of come we came to die and dieing is not natral for Elves! Looking at all the other fallen Elves ill admit moved me and related very well with Tolkien theam of Elves been very sorroful and no longer wanting that. The bit that really ticks me off is When haldir turns up and wont hug Aragorn hes and Elf for god sake he would be a great hugger im not saying that it maybe wasnt approate to be all happy but you know he wouldnt look so uncomftable
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09-14-2003, 04:55 AM | #62 | |
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As for Ruinel - I have way too many things that annoy me. The constant melodramitc over the top use of slow motion really gets on my nerves and the over the top sentamentality. It's so fake.
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09-14-2003, 08:52 AM | #63 |
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Over-acting? Over the top? Fakey? Cheesey? Have you guys seen the same movies the rest of the world have seen?
There are some points about Jackson's LOTR movies that reasonable people could disagree with. But you guys lose your credibility and look downright silly in this discussion with your own "over the top" commentary. |
09-14-2003, 09:45 AM | #64 | |
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Also - as Wayfarer mentioned in the other thread - Titanic made a TON of money, and millions of people saw it over and over again. It wasn't a great movie though. So just becuase millions of people saw Jackson's Lord of the Rings - does NOT make it a great movie. It does not mean that Jackson didn't use cheap hollywood tricks or repeated use of things he must have gotten from his Cinema 101 book. . For instance - it is plain to see that Jackson felt the need of a comic relief character. Those characters were Pippin and Merry in FotR. When Pippin and Merry's screen time was limited in TT - he obviously went to Gimli. Sorry - but to me that is the technique you would find from a hack. A good director doesn't make the decisions so plain for the audience to see.
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09-14-2003, 11:20 AM | #65 | ||
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It begs the question, what purpose do movies and books serve if not to capture the interest and imagination of people? Why do the same cliques of know-it-all elitists always question the quality of anything that becomes popular? Quote:
One of the characteristics of a great movie or book is that the characters are changed by the events that take place within the story. One of the challenging feats that PJ and Company are accomplishing is that ALL of the dozen or so major characters in LOTR are evolving and growing before our eyes. This is no small feat and a big part of the brilliance of the films. |
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[quote] Did PJ emphasize his humorous side? Yeah. But while the jokes were different, the character of Gimli (IMHO) was basically the same as in the books. /quote] Gimli's character was basically the same in FotR - not TT. In Two Towers he became a comic dwarf. Quote:
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09-14-2003, 12:17 PM | #67 |
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BB as allways your complete support for your hero is quite astounding. Its allmost as good as old Blair with his Hero Bush (awwwwwww god bless him).
What you fail to see or do see and are atempting to take the p*** out of us all is that these films are not the faultless masterpeice you put them for. I love FOTR its my favorite ever movie and sticks to the book well. Two Towers just has a few moments that confuse me in there existance. Theres no need for them. Some stuff is just badly done. Some stuff acctually completally contradicts the whole movie and sets up plot holes which Tolkien never left (hell the guy even has a reason for the Egals not helping too much)! Now as for people opinions on movies ive allways seen this as an area of intrest to me. For example i like Hot Shots! I get the times as a paper the guy that does the reviews for them is never gonna like that movie in a thousand years its like the people that vote things like a beautiful mind to be really good films. Its a matter of opinion. But BB understand this Two Towers isnt faultless nor is it meritless but when compared to the book there are several issue which many of us would like to jusy ask PJ why?
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09-14-2003, 01:05 PM | #68 |
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Sween - the US Constitution was adopted September 17, 1787....
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09-14-2003, 02:08 PM | #69 | |
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But my point is that it strains the credibility of even the most zealous book purist here when this board's Clan of the Wayfarers whine that PJ's LOTR movies are cheesey, poorly acted, poorly written, explotative, and are not true to Tolkien. There certainly could have been different interpretations made of Tolkien's work and different approaches to bringing the material to the big screen. But try as some here might, it's hard to argue with the fact Jackson honored the author's work on film. |
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09-14-2003, 02:17 PM | #70 | |
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As for your comment that you think they'll be timeless classics - just you wait. They're going to be as much a classic as Titanic is. By the way - they are cheesy, over the top, etc. I never complained about the acting really. I think the directing sucked - which screwed up the acting. I can picutre Elijah Wood doing something and him saying - "no no we need more, express it more, roll your eyes into your head, convulse. You know - like you did in the last 20 scenes."
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09-14-2003, 03:09 PM | #71 | |
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09-14-2003, 05:04 PM | #72 |
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Rite lets get this thread bk on topic we have a thread to dissuce the merits of PJ in realtion to the book.
Jerseydevil and wayfearer are one end of the scale BB is the other and anyone with half a brain (im not even sure if its even that with me ) is somewhere in the middle I have to admit i do think Frodo is overacted in TTT he was perfect in FOTR but hes a bit too intrested in the ring allready i dont like the whole what kinda reminds me of Harry Potter scar element getting a sore head everytime Sauron looks at him if he knew where he was his Nasgul would be there faster than you can say 'a hairy Orc is a scary Orc'
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09-14-2003, 05:22 PM | #73 | |
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09-14-2003, 06:22 PM | #74 |
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lets see......
Elijah Wood's pathetic accent Everything that Legolas says{Orlando Bloom is not a good actor} "what can your elf eyes see?" Faramirs character being totally reversed Aragorn "dying" Legolas' impossible horse trick{i dont care if your an elf, no one can do that} Gandalfs beard being all short and stupid lookin Osgiliath Elves coming to helms deep Eowyns little kung-fu sword moves Grishnak not dying after having a spear in his back Eomer Eomer being banished The poor film quality when Gandalf is riding down to helms deep And last but not least, Aragorn on Gimlis little jump.
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09-14-2003, 06:43 PM | #75 | |
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Actually, my favorite critic is the one who, without having read the books, watched FOTR and complained that it was weak, and that he wanted more of the kind of thing seen in the first five minutes of that film- I.E., the kind of the stuff that the book had. Now, BB, you need to answer a question for me: If you want to insist that jackson isn't just a hack taking advantage of Tolkien's genius, can you point to even one movie he's produced before that was any good? I won't claim that jackson has produced anything worse than the average hollywood film. The thing that sets me on edge is how typical it is. It's your basic, meant-to-make-money, action film. And that's a horrible travesty when the LOTR could be so much more.
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09-14-2003, 07:02 PM | #76 |
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Wow, you guys are really quite anal when it comes to comparing the movies to the book.
Personally, I really liked the Two Towers movie. Especially the ents. I absolutely loved them in the book and I was really worried the ents would be completely cheesy in the movie but I think Jackson did a really good job on them! (And I sooo glad they're putting the hurons into the extended edition!) I guess if I had to say one thing about the movie that I don't like as much as the rest is Faramir's change in character and him taking the hobbits to Osgiliath. Most of Jackson's changes I can understand and appreciate, but this seemed pretty unnecessary to me. It looks like they might ammend Faramir's character a bit in the extended edition, but still.
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09-14-2003, 08:49 PM | #77 |
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Oh, another thing that irritates me is the "What do your Elf eyes see?" quote. I like making fun of it by pretending to be Legolas and going, "Darrrr, I gots Ewf eyz, Argorn? I thinks I had Dwarf eyz..."
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09-15-2003, 03:07 PM | #78 | |
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09-16-2003, 12:12 AM | #79 |
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How do you figure? They were traveling across Rohan toward Isengard. They were going in a northwesterly direction.
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