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I think this will be probably the 5th or worse, 6th time, I state this (I'm not going to say it again). So these are my thoughts on uniforms: No it's not the clothes themselves, as in, if society would rather walk in long, silver robes (fine!), but since Western etiquette says suits for men and skirts&the rest for ladies that is how it is. Thus, the type of clothes don't matter per se, as long as it is found respectable, and as long as the clothes find accept and importance for the students, just as much as for the teachers. Further, what I'm saying is that it is not putting on any identical set of uniforms on all the students that has the effect. It's the symbolism of the uniform, what they represent, that is important. A minimum requirement for this to work is that the clothes are more or less comfortable. But that's just one part. Then the school needs to promote why the uniforms are there, promoting it not as a negative backlash against lots of 'distasteful' clothing styles, but as a positive change, a way of promoting an identity for the school and as a code of behaviour (the respectable uniforms as a daily reminder of respectable behaviour).
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To take myself as an example, I went to a four-star school (which is the least good sort of school) but I ended up going to level 1. In the cities there are problems with immigrant groups, yes. However in my opinion it is not necessarily because of the school system. As I said, if you want to get somewhere, you can. The problems lie more in the situation at home and the general mentality, not just of the immigrants, but also of employers, etc.
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"A school in Amsterdam has introduced separate entrances for white and coloured pupils. At the Rietlanden/8th Montessori school in the east end of Amsterdam there are two separate entrances 30 metres apart, one for native Dutch children and one for immigrants. The school authorities claim that this situation has nothing to do with racism because the school welcomes children from all ethnic groups. All it wants is for them to enter through different doors. The school constitutes a complex with two sections. One, the coloured section, is called “Rietlanden,” the other, the white section, “8th Montessori.”
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07-07-2008, 03:28 PM | #68 |
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Just as an aside: Montessori schools are for children with learning disabilities.
I don't know why they would do that. I would have to read the entire article to understand the situation. I'm sure there is a very good reason why they do this, because otherwise it wouldn't be tolerated by the government and they would be sued for racism/discrimination. What I can think off without having read the source, is that Rietlanden is probably not for children who have a learning disability, but who are behind with the Dutch language and therefore cannot go to a normal school while the Montessori school is for children with a disability. Maybe we should start a thread on education Sorry Sis, for taking over your thread
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07-07-2008, 03:42 PM | #69 |
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Okey that's perhaps understandable then, if they are two different schools.
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Really? Here in the U. S., it's a particular method of education.
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But it may be the favored method for LD kids. Aspects of the Montessori method, such as the tactile component and sorting activities are often featured in LD educational systems. Mari's experience may be that parents with concerns choose that track.
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Mm, yes, that makes sense.
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In any case it seems the Dutch achieve a high standard even though they have a rather unique education system (never heard of anything like it).
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Sis, thanks for clearing that up. I thought it might be something like that. ^_^
Andreas, yeah. It surprised me that there are so few other countries who split students up. I mean: what's the use of trying to teach everyone the same thing when not everyone can study as well or has the same interests? That doesn't mean that our system is perfect though. Far from it. You should hear my mother on it. (hint: if you ever meet her, do not EVER ask her about my elementary school. Especially not in relation to me)
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I have never attended a school with a uniform, but they did have dress codes. The dress code was simple; just that you couldn't wear anything inappropriate (which any sensible person could easily determine for themselves). There were rarely problems with the dress code.
There was one aspect of the high school dress code that annoyed me though. You could not wear a hat anywhere in the building, not even in the hallway. This confused me, as the reason given for this rule is that hats would be a distraction in the classroom. This reason struck me as stupid since there are many things more distracting than hats in the classroom (such as teenagers). I decided to wear a hat in the hall once, just to make the vice principal explain to me why I couldn't. I'm not the sort of person who likes uniforms when not playing sports. Years later, I realized that the real reason is that wearing a hat indoors is considered a bit rude. Had that been explained to me, I wouldn't have had a problem with the rule. I normally do take my hat off inside, but since a stupid reason was given for the no hat rule, I just had to break it once. I have no problem with uniforms when they serve a purpose. I've played loads of sports, and most of them involved a uniform. Tennis has a dress code, but no uniform (unless you're on a team I guess). The karate gi is extremely practical and durable, and reflects the long tradition of karate. Rugby jerseys tell you, when you need to know in a hurry, who you tackle and who you don't. Etc. School uniforms could be practical, if done right (not those horrid things like BoP described!) but IMO I don't know if it would be worth the effort. I think it's more like Coffeehouse said (paraphrase) - it's not really the uniform, per se, but the effort the school administration puts into discipline and instilling a sense of school pride in the students. But you don't need a uniform to do that, necessarily, so why bother IMO. Quote:
Tell me about it. The logo for my alma mater is "Tuum est." Apparently, it means "It is yours." Gwaimir, can you confirm or deny that it really means "It is your massive student debt"?
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Well, it could a shortened form of "tuum est discipuli creditum colosseum", in which case....
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Hey the cool thing about latin is that if you know english, and a superficial understanding of the roman languages (french, spanish, portuguese, italian), you can pretty much understand the latin straightforward: I'd translate the words,
tuum est discipuli creditum colosseum as: tuum, your est, is discipuli, a 'student', as in disciples being students or followers of Jesus. creditum, money colosseum, collossal, large Cool
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Yeah, I know. I used to more or less know Portuguese (forgot a lot of it), but I was very surprised how much Latin I already knew.
Creditum is kind of funny; it's used for "debt" but it literally means "that which is believed".
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