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08-23-2005, 04:16 PM | #681 | |
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08-23-2005, 04:16 PM | #682 |
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here you go (and i never take or mean any of this stuff personally, btw ):
true evidence for creationism (in a scientific sense) would have to be the witnessing of something being created by a godlike being, implying that if god can create "x" object right now (even if it was something as small as a pebble), he could have created us long ago this is why evolution is a theory... we see evolution on a small scale and imply that it occured on a larger scale... the implication may not be totally correct... but there is at least evidence that evolution (as in minor change from offspring to offspring) can and does happen in the real world are there any observable "acts of god" in real life that can imply his power, influence or even existance?
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08-23-2005, 04:18 PM | #683 |
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Doh...just answered that elsewhere hang on...
I'm not familiar with any kind of animal that we have observed into another kind of animal. I do not deny that there can be slight changes _within_ a kind. However, I don't believe that that necessarily means they can change from one kind to another (fish to amphibian, reptile to bird, reptile to mammal, land mammal to whale) This we do not see in the present (your use of the term real life doesn't quite work, sorry), nor do we see it in the fossil record. Evolutionists _assume_ that this can happen because they see smaller things like height differences, fur or plumage coloring, limb length, tooth shape. |
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we theorize that evolution might be able to happen because we see it on a small scale... and given enough time, large changes might occur in the same way... or they might not much like we observe the speed of light over short distances and assume it acts the same way throughout the universe (though we are not certain) creationists need a similar observable piece of info to base their theories upon
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08-23-2005, 04:22 PM | #686 | |
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we theorize that evolution might be able to happen because we see it on a small scale... and given enough time, large changes might occur in the same way... or they might not much like we observe the speed of light over short distances and assume it acts the same way throughout the universe (though we are not certain) creationists need a similar observable piece of info to base their theories upon
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08-23-2005, 04:22 PM | #687 |
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Well, IR that's kind of a broad-band thing...since we use the same evidence, we just interpret it differently. For instance, we look at the fossil record and see something different.
We (by we I mean literal creationists, not just intelligent design people) believe that there was a worldwide cataclysm somewhere around 4,000 years ago. Flood waters churn up sediment, seismic activity causes volcanic eruption...Anyway, from that belief, we come up with the hypothesis that there would be..."billions of dead things buried in rock layers, layed down by water, all over the earth..." Well, we find just that. |
08-23-2005, 04:25 PM | #688 |
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As to 'acts of God,' I have seen them. But that doesn't help you much does it. Not being God, I can't reproduce them on command.
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08-23-2005, 04:25 PM | #689 |
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Well, there are scans done for tumors which have come up inexplicably negative, days before operation to remove them were scheduled. That's probably the most easily documented one that I've actually seen happen.
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does that also therefore relate that true evidence for evolution or scientific explanantions of how it all began ... being someone witnessing the big bang? call me a sceptic but there may be problems with trusting the word of someone who claims to have witnessed the Big bang ... In terms of argument and logic and philosophically speaking i think your opening gambit quoted above there is weak, even when applying it scientifically. But i am confused: why would the creationists have to PROVE their theory? I thought they beleived it: isn't that the point - belief? Stand it on its head and it's crazy to try to argue a non-scientific beleif via scientific princicples. Howver if the argument is that creationism is scientific, then they are bound by the rules and logic of science, no? |
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I don't think BJ is asking for proof. He's just asking for evidence that it _could_ have happened. Of course... I could ask for a base assumption .
Most evolutionists assume that the world as we see it today came about through completely natural means. I assume that it came into being by the hand of an omnipotent God. |
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creationism has zero basis in reality, and is purely extrapolation i'm not going to argue whether this makes it true or not (been there before ), but i will argue that this is why it is not a science
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Also, I'd like to present as evidence a well-corroborated, well-preserved document written by those who have witnessed, first-hand, acts of God. I challenge anyone to dispute it.
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08-23-2005, 04:50 PM | #700 | |
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this could be the very act of god Acran Mern requires to prove her point (hope i haven't tempted either fate, god's wrath or nano-second evolution) |
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