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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
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04-11-2002, 04:39 PM | #663 |
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Yo! Anduril. Stop scoping my Betty.
Litanty to BoP A goddess from the underworld Yet, one of beauty, power and light Chasing away the dogma's prison To the blind she gives sight The face of an angel The mind of a god Those who witness her manifest exclaim "What a bod!" So I your humble servant Await in your beckon call For you are the Sovereign Goddess of Reason I worship you above all
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
04-11-2002, 05:56 PM | #664 |
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Why thank you Afro Elf, in amidst all those typing errors, thy doth have a silver tongue....
*giggles insanely* (What a great wake up call.... ) Now... Emplynx....
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Okay, the power of prayer? Have you ever noticed that it seems to work like astrology? Those who get their prayers answered, generally do, because they asked for something vague that would have perhaps happened anyway? "God, please let me meet a dark haired stranger?" And Lo! God caused her to meet a dark haired stranger on the subway, who did cause to have her wallet stolen from her. Also, never underestimate the power of the mind. Self hypnotism is very easy, and in fact so is hypnotism. Having trained (informally) in both hypnotism, and NLP (Neuro Linguistic Pathways), I can honestly say that those preachers that induce mass hysteria, and 'miracle' cures, employ every trick in the book, from breathing technique, to visualisation. Those so called cures are nothing more than hypnotism at best. And the stories you don't hear? The cures that have reverted back... The woman who could walk again, before she lost her legs .... again. I could go on, and on. Finally, if your God is just, (which I doubt), then as long as you believe in, and pay your dues to a higher entity, then I think it would be immaterial, if you were praying to the 'wrong' god. Anyway, that is an oxymoron, because, according to your beliefs, god is omnipresent, which means he is everywhere, including in those 'heathen' religions which don't conform to your particular one. Quote:
If nothing else, what did the story of jesus teach you? Tolerance, of all those that are different, poor, and weak. You might want to heed that.
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And your toleration for people who are different is to what? Pray for them to change their 'evil/ignorant' ways? That's not tolerance.
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What I meant when I asked perhaps you could explain the purpose of praying in that case?, was what possible good could arise from such prayer? What good could arise from a Chrisitian praying for a non-Chiristian who is persecuting the Christian, applicable to the non-Christian? Quote:
But Emplynx, have you had a look at my arguments (the ones that favour the non-existence of your god)? Anduril wonders if they flew over Emplynx's head while it was in the - nevermind... But seriously, hasn't anyone noticed the random results of prayer? I prayed to God once, and this is what happened: I had a packet of sweets, which were of four different colours, and there were 10 sweets of each colour. And I prayed to the Lord Almighty, and I said, "Oh Lord God, praise thy name! Please let me stick my hand in the packet and take out 6 red sweets, 3 brown sweets and 1 orange sweet." So I put my hand in the packet (I couldn't see the sweets), and I took. And Lo! I held in my hand 6 red sweets, 3 brown sweets and 2 green sweets. Then I went outside, and I prayed to the Lord Almighty, and I said, "Oh Lord God, praise thy name! Please let me see three birds flying past that tree in the next ten seconds." And I looked at the tree, and Lo! I saw three birds flaying past it, indeed in ten seconds. What is the moral of the story? Don't test your god with sweets... |
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What kind? Nestle Immoral? Or perhaps Cadbury's non-omnipotent. Or Incoherent-flavour Oreos?
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How about the candy-coated Mythbar...
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Um... "Easy answers" M & M's?
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Re: Oh Wayfarer...
Ok BoP. I never did get around to catching up on this thread, but I'm going to reply to what I can anyway.
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In any case, there are a few things we need to understand: 1)Even useful mutations result from the loss or reshuffling of information 2)Positive mutations do not account for the possibility of one creature changing into another. (i.e.) single to multi cell) 3)All of the examples which you site are well within the creationist system. At least within my version of it. Likewise they are within an evolutionary system. But they are not real evidence of either.
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Good to have you back Wayfarer.
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Things come from other Things. Therefore, everything must come from something that is self existant. The simplist explaination is that there is one self existant entity-either God or Nature. There are problems with a self existant nature which make it difficult to rationally believe. So a single, self existant Creator is the most reasonable explaination. When I say God I mean the single, self existant, creator of everything. And, building on that definition, there are some other things which I can surmise: This God cannot have a Beginning or an End. This God cannot be constrained by an external laws (because anything outside of him is nescessarily his creation, and thus constrained by his will) This God cannot be contained by any entity, and thus he cannot be 'inside' a universe. He is active in it, of course, and he puts himself into it (otherwise it would not be able to exist) All the same, It is not the backdrop to his existance, but rather the reverse. Now. This is not to say I disbelieve in indirect causes. God could, (conceivably) have created other beings (the valar or the greek gods) who shaped the earth and govern it at his will. But these entities are still his creations, and thus whatever honor I may gve them I shall give him a greater amount. Now, I do not believe that god is four dimensional, but that his is Omni-dimensional. That is, all dimensions exist within him. Quote:
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