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To run may well be better than killing or fighting. It might be. This depends on the circumstances. However, as the leader of a nation there is only one choice. Running is not an option, so fighting is the only one. I think that there is also a time to stand and fight with your family too, but I'm not sure what the balance is. If you're up against criminals, you have a high responsibility for your family, and you are highly vulnerable. Getting your family out of harm's way should be a high priority on your mind.
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Sorry to abruptly change the subject Lief.
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I was raised as an Anglican, and though I no longer attend church, I still identify myself as an Anglican. I'm very socially liberal, and I believe very much in sustainability. I study forestry at university, and I strongly believe that we can manage the world's forests in a sustainable way, so that future generations can have some trees too. I think the principles of sustainable forestry can be applied to other environmental issues such as clean drinking water, agriculture, designing and building cities, transportation, global warming, and even the very unfortunate situation of ocean fisheries. I'm not a very religious person, but I am very spiritual. While science, especially forestry since I actually know somethign about it, does form a good portion of my world view, spirituality is also very significant. One aspect of Christianity that I really love is the mystery. There are a lot of mysteries and unanswered questions that I think Christians should examine, think about, and question. For example, what exactly happened in the tomb after Jesus died? We don't know exactly what happened, but we do know that something amazing happened after. Probably He did ascend into heaven. I don't think it's a big stretch to believe that. How? We don't know that either. But something so powerful happened that the remaining, persecuted desciples willingly returned to risk their lives, risk crucification, to continue Jesus' teachings. That's pretty amazing. It's stuff like that that I just love about Christianity. Not to mention that it's a very loving religion. That's my beliefs in a nut shell. Feel free to ask me anything if you want. ![]()
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but there are a lot of mysteries that i don't think we will get to know until we are in heaven BTW thanks for answering ![]()
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I am a christian, who has accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I tend to go to the right politically, and i try to form my world view from bible, this is kind of rushed but basically, that is it, ask anything you want about me, but i may not answer until tomorrow
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heh, where's lief?
(he says somewhat cheekily not being around here much meself) Lief, you KNOW you are always welcome to post anywhere and especially here! ![]() Rohirrim: Quote:
![]() lumping it as a miracle, kind of denegrates the mystery somewhat and in some ways is akin to a scientific label .... my take on beleif is that it just that : it is THE ACT of BELEIVING that is as much important as anything else by saying "we KNOW what happened" is in some ways (from my humble view) going against what God wanted us to do: believe and take in the mystery of the trinity. we cannot know of God nor heaven nor the intricacies of his thoughts ... but we can beleive in them and follow the commandments .... i fear organised religion takes too much onto itself in the name of God, and that it is therefore unpure unto the highest. The very assumption that we know the thoughts and will and mysteries of God and can blithely translate it into human thought, word and knowledge seem to me (again in my humble opinion) to justify this beleif. Now do not get me wrong Rohirrim, i am not having a go, i admire those who truly beleive and have no qualm with them ... i just have a problem with theological thinking that is straight-jacketted by man and often to my view seems expediently at odds against the words of christ .... thou shalt not kill being a prime example, as we were discussing... ![]() ![]() i just feel we should be careful when we say we "know" of the mysterious of God. ![]() Nurv: i share some of your view, i am more spiritual than "religious" |
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and i'm not sure i agree with you on the mystery of God, i mean what i meant when i said "i know.etc.." was that i know "what" happened, not the whole scientific process that might or might not, have happened, i personally don't think that you can simplify the mystery of God. the trinity is a great example, it is totally mind boggling,(boggling hehee i like that word) i digress. it is beyond human comprehension, something that is so unfathomable can not lose its mystery no matter how people try to describe it I really don't like words like "religion" and "spirituality" it just seems to me that words like that have lost their meaning and don't really mean anything to people, either that or it brings to mind realllly boring church from when they were a kid. I go to a non denominational church, because the whole denomination thing got really petty among the churches, and we found this current church that has good theology and they're not hung up on whether you are protestant, catholic, babtist or whatever, its about the brotherhood of Jesus Christ,
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Nurvi and Butterbeer, what does being "spiritual" mean to you two, and what is the benefit of it?
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Your pain is on trial in Pennsylvania....as this topic also spills over into C.D.
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/t...017-1971409122
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spock i think your OT
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It's called band width spillover or "something completely different" to make you stop and think. It's a pun.
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interesting, i guess your right in a way, the religion and theology of evolution is being challenged by ID findings and is trying to keep ID findings from finding their way into the classroom,....so in a twisted sort of way it is on topic
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Now see what you did spock. Another thread reduced to the evolution/creationism argument.
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"...to defend the religious freedom of christians" by having christian doctrine taught in public schools apparently.
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My Apology To One And All
Chit-Chat is reserved for The Tea Cup Cafe ONLY-that type of post and off topic remarks, do not belong in topic threads.
THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH ENTMOOT RULES AND T.P.T.B. Mia Culpa. ![]()
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how come?
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wotcha Lief!
![]() regarding beleif and spiritual ... well firstly i do not have an exact definition and CERTAINLY not one that relates in any other way to other people ... you asked me Lief for my thoughts and views .. i.e. mine individually .... i cannot nor will-not speak for others past, present and future ... beyond that your points are meaningless to me. many do many things in all manner of God's names .... are they beleiving purely? some maybe, some not ... the distinction i make between respecting a person's personal beleifs is that they truly hold them, here in the Uk there are many millions of nominal "christians" but a small percentage actually beleive as i would describe it. from 3rd century to 21st century is a fair old time, so i cannot agree with you there either, it is many many lives of men. regarding the quote you appear to be confused by your own answer! ![]() t'was you not me saying 'cannot' in relation to God: when you said the reverse position was true ... now that seemed to me to be odd! For, how COULD this be unpure to the highest IF by the Highest???? so, i do not understand you, either! best though, BB ![]() |
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*bump*
If you aren't sure that Jesus is the Son of God, are you still a Christian? ![]() (This belief seems rather... er... fundamental. But then again Christians hold extremely varied beliefs, and I certainly don't view it as a restrictive belief system.)
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If any man would be saved, he must believe on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. See John 20:28.
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