12-05-2008, 12:57 AM | #581 |
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Self-deception is at the heart of all theology.
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12-20-2008, 12:01 PM | #582 |
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More on who the real jews are....
There is so much evidence everywhere. Even the infamous TV series about the life of Shaka Zulu has such proof. In it, it is clearly calls those being captured as slaves the "wandering jews of africa."
History as most of us know it (most, because I donot doubt a great many knew the truth all along) is a complete lie: Baruch 2:29-31 29 If ye will not hear my voice, surely this very great multitude shall be turned into a small number among the nations, where I will scatter them. 30 For I knew that they would not hear me, because it is a stiffnecked people: but in the land of their captivities they shall remember themselves. 31 And shall know that I am the Lord their God: for I will give them an heart, and ears to hear: The end is near, "even at the doors." Israel finally remembers, this was prophecied to happen at the end.
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01-17-2009, 10:27 AM | #584 | |
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I think it's still a theological debate though
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If we talked about theology (christianity) and it's influence on the english language being spread world wide, or on people who practice it, would it belong elsewhere or in the theology thread? Thought I point that out. We do need to stick to the topic in these threads, though I don't believe we diverged too much.
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01-22-2009, 08:23 PM | #585 |
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Well I think you are very mistaken in that belief. It was not some obscure sociopolitical/religious entity, (that in some way might have been Jewish), of Grenada that surrendered to the Spanish. It was the Emirate of Grenada that surrendered, in the person of Muhammad XII, the last ruler of the Emirate of Grenada. If you think Muhammad XII is Jewish I have to tell you that I'm the last living blue-eyed descendant of Ghengiz Khan.
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01-22-2009, 09:37 PM | #586 | |
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I will not continue responding to blanket statements. "the moon bees buzz fart drop size five four 9 and video wasp." Did that make any sense, no, well that is how the majority of your posts are sounding to me. (sorry confusing you with count comfect again, but the statement does apply, please provide links and be specific about what you disagree with).
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Last edited by The Telcontarion : 01-22-2009 at 09:53 PM. |
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01-22-2009, 09:40 PM | #587 | |
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Actually I will respond to whatever videos and proof you have presented but honestly I've tried sorting out your arguments but they are written in all manners and out of context so please offer up the videos and proof again, please.. |
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01-22-2009, 09:44 PM | #588 |
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*sigh* I wish you would
Read the present thread from post #405, that is the best I can do...
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01-22-2009, 09:52 PM | #589 |
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Right, I found the post and is this the part that you are referring to?
You write: The africans were not capturing and selling into slavery other africans, they were selling the refugees of Israel after it was sacked in 70AD. Over a period of about 1500 years we kept migrating from the east coast of africa to the west coast. Leaving behind as we went stragglers ie. the falashas etc. The greater part settled in west africa and there our enemies eventually rounded us up and put us into bondage. Questions: - First, from which part of the eastern coast of Africa did they migrate from? - Following what route and to what part of western Africa did they migrate to? - And what archeological evidence is there that Israeli refugees from the sack in 70 AD came to Western Africa? (To clarify the definition of Western Africa since many confuse it: Western Africa the western arm of Africa beneath the Sahara desert, which does not include modern-day Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria or Tunisia) ***EDIT: Sorry I mixed with the other debate What does this migration have to do with the Emirate of Grenada? Last edited by Coffeehouse : 01-22-2009 at 09:57 PM. |
01-22-2009, 10:18 PM | #590 |
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You know, my difficulty with all this discussion is that it isn't grounded in what I understand as science.
Now, people can have personal revelation. I don't know why God would speak to Gomer and not to Gomer Pyle, so I'm okay with that. But vast teams of scientists are doing things like gene sequencing. Archeologists are taking careful notes of potsherds. Linguists are following ancient migrations through language. And none of these people are finding a body of middle eastern peoples suddenly populating Africa. And these times, besides being a blink of the eye, biologically, aren't completely without historians, either. It's messy, as a theory. No Occams Razor. It's inelegant.
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It's interesting to see though what evidence Telcontarian can show us. I'm prepared to be educated about this!
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01-22-2009, 10:43 PM | #592 | |
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I like your detailed questions but to get that kind of info you will have to watch all the videos that I linked to and the entire video series they belong to.
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01-22-2009, 11:01 PM | #593 |
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Okay I haven't read the entire discussion but with my super-scrolling powers refined over many years at least I have deduced that whatever discussion there was about true Israelis versus 'false' Israelis, it veered off into a really, really long religious discussion where Scriptures seemed to be the main source (I take that with a pinch of salt).
- In any case I got to these two last pages, and I see you mention Mohammad XII and the Kingdom (Emirate) of Grenada, but I can't see any sources showing how he somehow is Jewish and that shows that the Moors of Islamic Granada were not Muslims, but Jews (which the part I'm interested in). Could you also provide links to the migration of Israelis to West Africa (or the western part of North Africa if that is the geographical area that you are talking about) because I can't find them |
01-22-2009, 11:54 PM | #594 | |
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Ok, this will help you out.
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Gamal Abdul Nasser, who was the president of the United Arab Republic said in 1956: ‘I could not respect the present Jews because they left Israel black and came back white.’ Tell the truth: (Who the true Israelites are) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=405 (Only Israel is to be saved) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=420 (Israel shall judge the world) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=422 (Understanding Obama) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=381 (Love) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=944 (Listen or die) http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&postcount=433 Focusing my theme throughout the discussion, as simply - Stop being a fool and listen, the truth is undeniable.
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01-23-2009, 01:18 AM | #595 | |
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I have some points I'd like to mention though! In post 405 you write: "In fact, we are the original kings and queens of those lands. We founded those countries. That was what the Renaissance was about." Yet what Kings and Queens of Europe were Jewish and is not the Renaissance a direct result of the transfer of knowledge and manuscripts (in many instances the ancient texts of Antiquity, classical Greece, ancient Persia and as far as China) from the vast Muslim (There were certainly Jews involved in this transfer to Europe) archives and libraries that were acquired during the Golden Age of Islam between the 8th and 13th centuries? In many instances the texts from Antiquity concerning mathematics, medicine, philosophy, optics, etc. Was this transfer of knowledge from the Muslim Caliphates not the contributing factor to the Awakening in Europe? After all one of the reasons the Italian states (Venice and the Genoese), Portugal and Spain prospered so much in the early 15th century was that they were the first recipients of both lost and newfound knowledge.. Also in post 405: "The crusades were so important to the rulers of Europe because they were Israelities/Jews and that was their homeland." You present an interesting question as to what motivated the Crusades. I think the notion that they happened because the European actors were Jewish doesn't quite add up to historical events. This brings us back to your argument that there must have been Jewish Kings and Queens of Europe. But if we take a look at the first European king to visit Jerusalem as part of the Crusades he certainly was not Jewish. He was, you'll be surprised I think, the Norwegian King Sigurd I, Korsfareren, or the Cross(Crusade)-farer whom went down with his fleet to join in the cause. This was a point in time when Norway had become very Christianized and the early Christians in Norway were particularly religious. King Sigurd I was not Jewish and neither has any king in Norway ever been. The conventional view of the Crusades can be summed up as being performed in the convincing reality for Europeans of all classes and creeds that to make their way down there was a costly, but adventurous and honourable way to serve penance. For many it proved the death sentence, yet for some it proved very lucrative and that was certainly a message that resounded in Europe in the more rewarding eras of the Crusades. I think you should avoid quoting too much from the Bible, it makes for selective reading as its history of inspiration to different peoples of different minds have shown. In any case most of the quotes you present are very cirumstancial, so if I were you I'd rely less on extrapolation and more on concrete references to concrete events. For example why would you use a biblical quote to question the moon landings of 1969? Last edited by Coffeehouse : 01-23-2009 at 01:38 AM. |
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01-23-2009, 01:53 PM | #596 |
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On the motivations for the Crusades: what we know of as "The Crusades" were not the only times the church preached Crusade. In every case (ex: the Albigensian Crusade, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade, the Crusade against the Moors in Spain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista) the motivation was a defense of Christianity or an attack on its enemies, with not a Jew in sight. Well, except to be kicked out of the country after the Reconquista of course.
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Oooops.
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Classic case of political spin- first deny there's a problem, then blame the people pointing out the problem, then try to shift the blame to lower levels. The articles covering this generally focus on Williamson's TV interview as an isolated incident, and portray the Pope as being unaware or kept out of touch by Vatican officials. This would be a lot easier to believe if the Pope's previous position for the last twenty-five years had not been precisely to deal with the Church's response to schismatics and heretics like Archbishop Lefebvre, Quote:
More on the group that Benedict wants to welcome back- and note again, all the condemnation has been directed at Williamson as an individual, not the Society of Saint Pius X: Quote:
Again, it's simply not credible to believe that the man in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for twenty-five years, charged with the responsibility ""to maintain and defend the integrity of the faith and to examine and proscribe errors and false doctrines", wouldn't know about the views expressed by the SSPX. I'm sure they expected some cries of outrage from Jewish groups and liberal Catholics, which could have been brushed off by a few statements condemning anti-Semitism; unfortunately for the Vatican Williamson's interview made it news.
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02-07-2009, 11:31 PM | #598 |
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Williamson has also publicly stated that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were "put into man's hands by God".
None of this stuff is obscure; it has long been readily available simply by Googling, but the Vatican is shocked, shocked, to discover that these guys are vicious anti-Semites. They just hoped to sneak this in under the radar and give the brush-off to anyone complaining- "oh, yeah, just typical politically-correct types whining"- like their original reaction to when the story burst.
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02-09-2009, 02:20 PM | #599 |
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Makes me miss John Paul a bit.
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Yes, Williamson's positions are unfortunate. Yes, the general trend of the SSPX crowd tends towards anti-Semitism, and that is unfortunate. Yes, their views of the Jewish people are downright wrong. But that is no reason to prolong schism. The Holocaust is an historical fact, not a doctrine of the faith. So long as the doctrines of the faith are held, there is no valid reason for schism to continue. Note the press release by Bishop Fellay, Superior General of the SSPX, on the matter. The SSPX was, certainly, started through low reactionary tendencies, and a desire to cling fanatically to a certain old-fashioned conservatism. This survives to an extent, as seen in the likes of Bishop Williamson. However, there is more going on than this. The past twenty years have greatly softened the SSPX, and a desire for reconciliation has arisen to the point where it is, very often, stronger than the reactionary element in the society. There are always going to be priests and even bishops who say crazy things. The Vatican has done nothing wrong in this matter.
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