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11-14-2003, 01:33 AM | #41 |
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and Aragorn on a fritos(i think it was fritos) chip bag!
just as much overkill as AotC
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11-14-2003, 01:41 AM | #42 |
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BB: I disagree. I think an author's "right" to his work transcends any legal setup with copyrights; I consider it something beyond that.
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11-14-2003, 01:42 AM | #43 |
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Originally posted by HectorBerlioz
"LotR has built up fans over decades..., and to make a actionized movie of it, and hand it over to those DnD fans......, grrr need to go back to venting thread....." __________________________________________ Yes, in a way I hadn't consciously formulated before, that's the essential problem with the TT. FOTR and the first hour of TT vary from tolerable to excellent adaptations, but the last 2/3 of TT is essentially an unrelated action movie, and there have been some disturbing hints that ROTK may have some of those elements. I have dvds of the first two movies but, to my initial surprise, I haven't once watched TT past the exorcism. The reason seems to be it's just an action event, not LOTR.
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11-14-2003, 01:45 AM | #44 |
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I can watch fotR all the way through. But for some reason I cant get far into TTT at all. Never have I finished watching it since we bought it.
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11-14-2003, 12:37 PM | #46 | |
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There are countless examples of stories that have taken on a life of their own in different mediums. What Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz do most people remember? Judy Garland from the classic film or the Dorothy from the book? Ian Fleming's James Bond became a classic icon only after the film series' success. Thomas Harris's Hannibal Lector became a cult classic after the release of the Silence of the Lambs' movie and the Award winning performance of Anthony Hopkins. An example more in line with Tolkien's LOTR is Gone with the Wind. It is a book classic that became a film classic as well. |
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Websters - 1. most reliable or complete 2. serving to define or specify 3. decisive or conclusive What ever you may think - Jackson's movies do not cover ANY of those definitions. Quote:
As for Wizard of Oz - that's really ignorant since Wizard of Oz is an allegory and the movie does NOT show the allegory. Dorothy's shoes were silver for a reason in the book - to represent the Silver Standard and the Yellow Brick Road was Gold - to show the Gold Stanard. In the movie - Dorothy has Ruby slippers - which has no basis for what they were to represent. The Wizard of Oz is a good movie - but in order to analyze the symbolism - you have to study the book - hence the DEFINITIVE version. Quote:
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By that definition, it would imply that what is considered definitive would constantly change with the times and people. From the dictionary: de·fin·i·tive: Authoritative and complete. Precisely defined or explicit. Film is a different medium (as you have pointed out in many places ) than the printed text. Because of this difference in natures between film and text, I think it is difficult (if not impossible) for a film based on a book to be more definitive than the book. The book can provide more information that cannot be conveyed effectively via film. Even books that are based on films can sometimes provide more information than what is shown on the screen. Usually this is in the form of letting the reader be aware of what the character is thinking/planning. I do think that in some cases the film may be more enjoyable to watch than the book may be to read, but I do not think this means that book is less definitive than a film that is based on that book. Some more examples for people to think about: (although I think these are only film vs. film instead of book vs. film) The man who knew too much (1934, 1956) Both directed by A. Hitchcock. I personally like the 1956 version better, but the 1934 version is very good. Mutiny on the Bounty (1935, 1962, 1984 'The Bounty') This may be interesting since they are supposed to be based on real events.
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