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When Eru showed the Ainur the vision of Ea Melkor was ashamed because of the rebuke he had taken from Eru. Tolkien did not make much about it, but for me that's one of trembling times of Legend. If Melkor would have accepted the critic of Eru, than the history of Arda would have gone other wise. In that case he had have two possipility: He could have not entered Ea and stayed with Eru to learn more of the knowledge that he missed in the music, or he could have entered the world and take a better course there. The second way was much more difficult because the music was as fate to all that inhabited Ea with the exception of men only. So his most weeked deeds were done against men (or the children of Ilúvatar in general). If he had changed his course only slightly in this matter it would have made a graet diverence. The second occasion were Melkor had been on the age of repentance was when Utumno was stoormed by the Valar. Melkor discovered than that he had dispressed his power. As Tolkien discriebed in Morgoth's Ring that was really the piont of no return for Melkor. But it is even more difficult to imaging what Melkor could have done had he resolved his course otherwise than he did. Respectfully Findegil P.S.: Posted by Artanis: Quote:
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I looked up the passage in MR about Melkor's 'near-repentance'-experience, and it says: Quote:
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06-10-2003, 02:40 AM | #43 |
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Oh, happy birthday, Findegil!
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In considering this answer a thought entered my mind that is related to the fate of Melkor and the Dagorath: When we look at Gollum and his role in the destruction of the one Ring, he did the one and only think to save Frodo and the hole Middle-Earth. He did it with out good intention toward Frodo or anybody else than himself, and his actions worked not the way he intended them but still it was done. Cold it be that Melkor had a similar role to play with the Valar and Arda? His last attack was the only chance for the Valar to do what they had so long delayed out of love for the world: To rout out evil from the world by destroying Arda with all its Melkor ingredient, so that it could be build anew. That does of course not mean that Melkors intention was good and he had repented by that time. But is does again show how out of evil can come good even more fair than was seen before the evil was done. And in addition it would be the only chance for Melkor: The object of his uttermost desire was gone for good. He had a chance for reconsidering when his will fixed on the domination of Arda was cleaned from that desire. Respectfully Findegil |
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07-04-2003, 06:24 PM | #46 |
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...remember them......
....I am sure he didn't die.He left with the Elves to the lands....because he felt the power of the ring as Frodo did, and it left a scar that can't be removen!His mission is over, and he can leave in piece with Elves until they all will be forgotten!!!
.....(didn't get how can I change "hobbit"......I am not a hobbit.... ...)
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07-04-2003, 06:48 PM | #47 | |
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you won't be 'Hobbit' when you get to 50 posts. Then you'll be 'enting'. Afterwards: 100 - elven warrior 500 - elf lord, or anything you want to put as a title. |
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07-04-2003, 09:14 PM | #48 |
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well in a sense no maiar dies jsut as no valar dies, they can lose a body of there own will or chose a new one though some tiems a certain amount of pwer is in ones body, aka saurons like when he escaped from numenor
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Gandalf is a Maia so I always thought he wouldn't die once he sailed from the Grey Havens. His task on Middle Earth was complete, but I didn't think that the completion of his task had anything to do with the length of his life. I thought, if anything, he might want to change his form from an old man to whatever it was before he arrived on Middle Earth.
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