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What about me, Finmandos?
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I´m sure you would be a great Amarie. For example she was smart enough to stay away from that little trip to Middle Earth... |
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*boos and throws popcorn at Sister* Get over him, get a hobby, get something! *continues popcorn throwing*
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I know who you are now. GLORFINDEL why because you are the only elf lord to return
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*throws more popcorn at Sister for good measure*
Concerning the 'Gildor Inglorion of the House of Finrod' passage, Tolkien changed 'Finrod' to 'Finarfin' in the Second Edition (though this change is not incorporated in other later editions, I guess it should be). Michael Martinez touched on this in an article recently, I think it was his Finweans article. 'Inglorion' means 'son of Inglor'. Ofcourse when the passage was originally written (as Sister points out), Inglor was him who we know as Finrod (and Finrod was him who we know as Finarfin [still with us?]). But now we know that Gildor was the son of Inglor, some unknown Elf of the House of Finarfin. So who was Inglor? Finarfin had four children: Finrod, Angrod, Aegnor and Galadriel (not Orodreth, Tolkien decided against this, his name was changed to Arothir and he became Angrod's son). Angrod's descent seems to be well recorded, Aegnor had no children, and if Gildor was descended from Galadriel I'll eat my shoe. That may not sound like a professional argument, but you don't want to see me eat my shoe. Or I don't want to eat my shoe. Don't make me eat my shoe! *leers* So that leaves Finrod. It is said in Of Beren and Lúthien that Finrod returned to the Living and 'walks with his father' in Aman, or something very close to that. MM's theory is thus logically that Finrod and Amárië had a child after Finrod's return, or more than one. They could have had a child named Inglor, or Inglor could be their grandson. Either Inglor or Gildor or both could have returned to Middle-earth in the Second Age, before the Downfall of Númenor, but one thing is certain: Finrod was Inglor's son. 'Who was Inglor?' you ask? That's what this whole dang post was about, pay more attention.
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maybe inglor was a child of finrod and amarie BEFORE the exile. gildor says he is an exile. if he came later then he would not be an exile
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LOL! There goes the certainty. No, actually I meant: Gildor is Inglor's son.
Gildor would be an Exile, in a loose sense: he would be one of the people of the Exiles. All the Noldor who left Aman and came to Middle-earth called themselves the Etyañgoldi, or 'Exiled Noldor'. Gildor could very well say 'we are exiles', even if he himself had last left the Blessed Realm by permission. On the other hand Gildor does not seem to hold the kind of sanctity possessed by Glorfindel. I would venture to guess that Gildor was born in Middle-earth, and that it was his father who had left Aman. On the third hand (if you are an ape), we do not see as much of Gildor as we do of Glorfindel. Quote:
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Maybe finrod fooled around and gildor was the result?
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I another reason i think I would be an elf is that when I head back to school, it will be in recombinant gene technology (genetic engineering). I'll have 3 focuses. Only two are directly related to this thread though.
biogerontology: elves don't die from old age immunology: elves don't get sick or catch diseases maybe I can be an afro-elf after all.
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IMO sometimes Tolkien just forgot to alter the text at all places according to his change of mythos/plot. |
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BTW is Arynetrek anything out of Tolkien (or constructed from his languages)? |
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so if i'm Glorfindel (thank you, BTW...) i'm going to have to kick Arwen's butt for stealign my place at the Ford... aryne * |
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