12-11-2006, 07:27 PM | #41 |
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Generally the moderation really isn't that bad around here. They let things go pretty far. But if you start commenting about the moderators, they are going to moderate you. It's human nature. Not many boards put up with that.
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12-11-2006, 07:37 PM | #42 | |
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12-11-2006, 07:40 PM | #43 |
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12-11-2006, 07:42 PM | #44 |
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'ere, you been reading my correspondence with the mods?
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12-11-2006, 08:28 PM | #45 |
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By off topic I was refering more to the way you were dragging the thread towards a profanity-filled, rude, flamefestish direction .
Also you've been a major problem for us in the past--that does tend to make us moderate you more frequently. Especially considering how many second chances we've offered and then had you turn around and bitch at us for them. Here's the trick: If you don't want your threads deleted, be nice. There is a major difference between saying you think something is wrong, and politely contacting the people in charge, as opposed to PMing every single Mod and Admin the same thing multiple times and then trying to tell us what we said, when in fact you should be aware that we said something completely different. When you're posting on a board, you should be ready to follow the rules of that board . If you don't like the rules, there are better ways to complain about them than the... explosive... methods that have been attempted in the past. I am rarely as upstraight on any other board as I am on entmoot, however I try to follow the PG13 guidelines of this particular board and to enforce them if they seem to require it. Similar to how I might say, "aw, hell," if I drop something while I'm talking to a friend, or would instead just say, "oops" if I was around someone I know objects to stronger language. Last edited by Tessar : 12-11-2006 at 08:31 PM. |
12-12-2006, 07:26 PM | #46 |
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Also, in my personal experience, conservatives and liberals alike all get fixed into believing in a certain way and then it's very hard to change them. I've met very, very few people who are really open-minded, on either the right or the left, and those people tend to be open-minded just because they're ignorant. People on the right and the left are equally close-minded.
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12-13-2006, 03:11 PM | #48 |
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Clinton was hounded out of office for the Lewinsky affair? That's new. What I think is that he should have been.
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12-15-2006, 09:22 AM | #49 |
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Nah, his presidency was effectively crippled by it. (That and not having a Democrat majority in either house.) But it's interesting that you think lying about an affair is a worse thing to do than starting an unwinnable war.
What you say is true, of course, Lief, but that's not the issue here. Perhaps it's pointless to try to compare. Nevertheless, where are the neocons admitting that they did wrong? This administration does not admit its mistakes and cannot accept an honest and objective assessment of the current situation and how it came about. Which raises another quetsion: where are the rank and file democrat and republican Representatives demanding to know how such an Administration can, with said blinkers firmly in place, be expected to come up with a sensible way forward? Last edited by The Gaffer : 12-15-2006 at 09:27 AM. |
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12-20-2006, 02:52 PM | #51 |
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Then why not constantly harrass Bush about the war like you enjoy doing with Clinton about Lewinsky every chance you get?
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The whole country went for the war together, and Congress had access to the same intelligence the Administration had when coming to its conclusion. Leveling accusations at the Administration alone is unjust. One would be more justified in blaming most of the country.
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12-21-2006, 05:33 AM | #53 |
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Of course, this is true, and I think it is one of the greatest weaknesses of modern, media-slave politics. It's also exactly why, when a fundamental policy has been proven to be disastrous, you have to kick out the incumbent: because they are so closely associated with that policy, they cannot be expected to think objectively about alternatives.
I don't think we can just say "Oh well, we can't expect them to admit they're wrong, so let's just carry on with the war so they don't get embarrassed" Hector: you said words to the effect that Clinton should have been kicked out of office because of the Lewinsky affair. Bush et al basically lied to take us to war; Clinton lied about shagging an intern. Which is worse? Last edited by The Gaffer : 12-21-2006 at 05:35 AM. |
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Also, I think that the Administration is handling the situation in Iraq in the best possible way right now. There aren't any good options, and right now fighting it out and maintaining our push for a stable democracy is still a workable solution. The fact that there was such a large turnout in the Iraqi elections indicates that the Iraqi population overall wants a democracy. There also have been many successes since we arrived in Iraq in the development of a democratic government, though naturally it too has problems, such as the death squads. But we have the resources and military power to achieve the objective of bringing freedom to Iraq. It just takes time and commitment.
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Revisionist history at it's best! The Bush Administration brought the whole topic to the table in the first place. There were suspicions since the Reagan era, but it was GW who conned the rest of the country into thinking it was any real threat. You could make the argument that it is still the falt of the rest of our country because we allowed ourselves to be duped, but that's a shakey one. Quote:
Any "successes" are only successes relative to how far down we have brought their country. If I burn down your house and then turn around an build you a beautiful new bed that is much nicer than your old bed, would you say, "This is the nicest bed I ever had! I don't even miss the fact that I don't have a house anymore!"
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To the first point... who brought up the idea of invading Iraq? Who actually decided to invade Iraq? I think you should look back on the timeline, from 9/11 to Afghanistan to Iraq.
The Iraq invasion simply never would have happened without GWB. As far as the good being overlooked, it is simply because the bad far outweighs the good. In case you haven't been paying attention, even the GWB isn't pretending anymore that he is going to bring about democracy in Iraq. Sure, they had elections, but the people who hold the power don't happen to be the people who were elected. Do you really think if we kill Iraqis long enough peace and democracy will just happen?
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