The Riddle of Tom Bombadil - Page 3

Pytt · 10-20-2004, 09:37 AM

beorn was nothing more than a man with the possibility of shapeshfting. and i can't see his 'mission'.
for the other two, i don't think they were in som way related.
Radagast was a lesser maia, and bombadil had been there before time. i am even useure if radagast knew about bombadli presence, but i think he did.
but i see your thought about the minor characters.

Lenya · 10-20-2004, 04:37 PM

I strongly believe that Radagast did know about Bombadil. After all, he is one of the Maia sent to ME to 'help out' and therefore I think he has a good idee what goes on there and which special people lives there.

Attalus · 10-20-2004, 06:44 PM

Gandalf knew him, as did Elrond. I see no reason why Radaghast would not have known him.

Lenya · 10-23-2004, 12:52 PM

I'm sure pretty much all of the important poeple knows him.

Finrod Felagund · 10-23-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Martinez

The Flame Imperishable is generally equated with the Holy Spirit. The Light of the Two Trees was simply the radiance the trees themselves generated.

The Flame of Anor which Gandalf mentions to the Balrog is equated with the Flame imperishable, as oppsed to the Flame of Udun, which is equated with dark fire, like that of hell

Michael Martinez · 11-17-2004, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finrod Felagund

The Flame of Anor which Gandalf mentions to the Balrog is equated with the Flame imperishable, as oppsed to the Flame of Udun, which is equated with dark fire, like that of hell

The Flame of Anor would be the fire of the sun, not the Flame Imperishable. The Secret Fire is the Flame Imperishable. Gandalf told the Balrog that he was a servant of the Secret Fire and a wielder of the Flame of Anor. That is, he served Iluvatar and was able to withstand the Balrog's firey heat (although in the end he admitted to being burned, when he related his story to Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli in Fangorn Forest -- still, he wasn't slain by the Balrog's fire).

Lenya · 11-18-2004, 05:02 AM

Yes, the Flame of Arnor is deffinately not the same thing as the Flame Imperishable.

10-20-2004, 09:37 AM	#41
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	beorn was nothing more than a man with the possibility of shapeshfting. and i can't see his 'mission'. for the other two, i don't think they were in som way related. Radagast was a lesser maia, and bombadil had been there before time. i am even useure if radagast knew about bombadli presence, but i think he did. but i see your thought about the minor characters. __________________ Don't Panic!

10-20-2004, 06:44 PM	#43
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Gandalf knew him, as did Elrond. I see no reason why Radaghast would not have known him. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

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10-20-2004, 04:37 PM	#42
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	I strongly believe that Radagast did know about Bombadil. After all, he is one of the Maia sent to ME to 'help out' and therefore I think he has a good idee what goes on there and which special people lives there.

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Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	I'm sure pretty much all of the important poeple knows him.

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Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Yes, the Flame of Arnor is deffinately not the same thing as the Flame Imperishable.