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07-02-2004, 06:54 PM | #41 | ||
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And I like how the conversation ends - they go on a bit more, then MacDonald writes: "But he could get nothing more out of the fairy, and had to go to bed unanswered, which was something of a trial."
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 07-02-2004 at 06:57 PM. |
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07-19-2004, 01:25 PM | #42 |
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*bump*
Where'd that Ñólendil go? I thought he'd like that quote ...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
07-22-2004, 04:46 PM | #43 |
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Actually just spotted a similar thread on a different MB... and someone had pointed out about a whole 'People-Group' which applies to this:
The Dead Men of Dunharrow!
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07-22-2004, 06:16 PM | #44 |
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Oh, that's right! Interesting concept about an unfulfilled oath keeping you bound to the place (i.e., ME) where you made it until it's fulfilled.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
07-22-2004, 06:27 PM | #45 |
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In the case of that Oath... I wonder if there was something special about the Stone of Erech which bound them... or if anyone taking any oath in ME was somewhat more bound than we often suppose we are. We've discussed this a little in another thread before.
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08-13-2004, 12:58 PM | #46 |
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I think the curse did have something to do with the Stone of Erech because if it wasn't wouldn't they have just left. For they can't have wanted to be properly dead that much because if so why
'The Way is shut, it was made by those who were dead, the dead keep it, the way is shut' If they wanted death so badly surely they would have stuck something about Isildur's heir and he may enter in it. For if Isildur's heir wasn't as brave as Aragorn or hadn't met Gandalf then they wouldn't be free from their oath. |
08-22-2004, 02:49 PM | #47 |
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As it turns out RÃ*an, I did read that quote you posted--I liked it, but I wasn't sure how you were relating it to our conversation. My mind is probably too overloaded at the moment. Actually, you'll have to remind me what we were debating about
It is a nice passage though.
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08-30-2004, 03:28 PM | #48 |
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Back to Valandil's original post, I suspect the lack of surviving characters who have redeemed themselves says more about JRRT than it does about ME. Perhaps he didn't have much experience with people changing their stripes. It could be a personal cynicism he carried into his writing. Thanks for pointing it out; until you mentioned it, I never really noticed the trend.
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08-30-2004, 04:36 PM | #49 |
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Yeah. People who did do something majorly wrong repented whilst dying.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
08-30-2004, 06:14 PM | #50 |
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It is also a Christian doctrine that one must lose his life to save it. We have that on the Highest Authority. I suspect that JRRT had that in mind, particularly for Boromir.
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08-31-2004, 03:01 AM | #51 |
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Didn't Boromir repent before he was dying, after Frodo had left when he came back into his right mind.
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09-24-2004, 01:18 PM | #54 |
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What about Ar-Pharazon. Any chance that he repented before dying?
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09-24-2004, 01:34 PM | #56 |
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What about the guy who betrayed Barahir (I forget his name). Do you think he repented?
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09-24-2004, 01:43 PM | #57 |
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I don't know... but we really should keep this discussion to the LOTR novel. There was really no need to discuss Ar-Pharazon.
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All right, just to keep th pot bubbling, this is a duplicate to the post that I made on Val's thread at SF-Fandom:
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* bumpity-bump *
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