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Also, Time is a concept that can only exist after language is invented, and some languages don't even HAVE tenses.
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Anyways...for another heated debate... who do you belive...Religion or Science?
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hehehe it properly discovered me as a heretic! LOL! Sixth Circle: The City of Dis.
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I don't remember the Minotaur having anything to do with ancient Greek afterlife beliefs...did they make that up, or have I just not heard about it? Also, I would like to point out that Christianity does not teach human sacrifice, as it states that Jesus was Divine. It rather teaches that He (Divine, not human) gave up His life (John 10:17-18 : "17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself") to redeem us. LFA, I would like to point out that the purpose of this thread was not for debate, but Quote:
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We must be the goody-two-shoes.
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Me too... IM A HERETIC
Im not to fazed about life in hell except for the fact that all the creepy rapists will be there aswell... umm another question why does Satan get ditched with all the wierdos??? if he only planned to overthrow God why does he have to look after the rapists and such? Quote:
8. in simple terms he's a prick but im sure someone can explain it so all the hurt falls on religions scapegoat, Satan.
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7. General revelation, Millane, General revelation. 8. Actually, it is not blamed on Satan. If you had read our replies, rather than jumping immediately to insult our religion, you would have seen that. Please, this thread is NOT to be used to insult or offend other religions. It is to be used to LEARN about them.
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Yeah, but how are we going to learn about Christianity if you, a Christian, say that you don't believe Jesus died for your sins? Because heaping your sins on some other being and being forgiven by his death is called a "sacrifice". And when you do it to a human, it's human sacrifice. Behold the Lamb. With his stripes we are healed, etc. Admit it, you're a Protestant of a small sect that believes you are saved by sheer grace and faith, probably descended from the Anabaptists and journeyed to America to practice their neo-gnostic heresy in peace. And that mean you actually belongs in the City of Dis with the rest of us heretics.
Anyway, the point is that the Gnostics did not buy into this death-of-a-sacrificial-victim-to-purge-sin thing. In fact, it was a belief taken from the Orphic cults and the Gnostic Gospels were removed from the Bible because they did not support this concept, and the Synoptic Gospels were kept because they could be used to support the Orphic cult's takeover of Christianity. You know, Orpheus sacrificed himself by choice, too. But the point is, the Gnostics did not believe in hidden secrets. They beleived in revealed truths. They did not beleive someone else already "saved" them. They beleived they had to save themselves.
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What do you mean, "ever considered true"? Gnosticism was Christianity. What was fabricated in its place was false prophecy, IMO. Of course, we aren't here to argue, but the very question indicates that you don't realize 1) what the original Christians believed and 2) that the religion was altered from its original form.
I don't think I'm proslytizing in any way. I have a general repugnance for "rote" answers which I think is the mental equivalent of burying your coins. Of course, this thread practically begs for rote answers by its very nature, so I should just give it space. I personally believe I am expected to think with the brain I was given, and when I think about religion having read beyond what Emperor Constantine's bishops allowed, the result comes out as heresy.
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1. Apparently God made himself.........must be kinda tough for omnipotent beings to find a date or summit :/ Mr and Mrs God snr never got together 2. The designs for the earth were made pretty much immediatly after he created himself..........it was getting planning permission that held up the progress. Time started when God started the "Universe" project........he didn't get paid until he got his back into filling the void. 3. Boredom 4. I think space does have an ending........and I've a horrible feeling that at the end we'll find a wall with "No Trespassers" written on it. 5. Nope, God got tired after the 6th day (Bless Him) he let outside contracters do the other worlds 6. See Above 7. I've got a bit of trouble with this one......if God is all singing-all dancing-omnipotent magnitude.......why in heavens name does he need hands, feet, not to mention a digestive system that only works properly when it's wants to? Does God's appendix have a purpose? 'Cos ours doesn't!............Why do we live on earth instead of in heaven?.........because basically we are Gods little ant farm. (Besides, the angels complain about all the noise we make) 8. Ah, we have to go right back to the Garden of Eden for this one. As we know, God gave Adam and Eve numerous intructions, straight from the creator's mouth.........unfotuneatly they gave God the celestial finger.......and did what they wanted anyway....God, being somewhat exhausted and still wanting some of the money owed for the The Universe contract........had to make a decision, would he watch over us, nuturing us for all eternity (therefore creating his ideal of a perfect world) or did he give us "free will".........leave us to our own destiny and let us kill each other in an ever increasing variety of ways? If God does have a plan, it's time he picked up the interstellar remote control and flicked back to Channel Earth........'cos I'm pretty sure we ain't following it. (although he did give us the ten commandments..........yer'd think any being capable of creating a universe in six days would've at least carved out a couple of chapters). There ya have it..........the universe acording to Coney |
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Interesting account, Coney. Okay, I have a question for Jews: markedel, you said that the Kabbalah was in keeping with Orthodox Judaism, correct? How does this line up with the various commandments about practicing magic? And one for Catholics: Could you tell me a bit about the Catholic doctrine of Justification?
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Kabba;ah isn't magic-it's mysticism. Different stuff altogether.
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If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could be please elaborate a bit? I was doing a bit of research on the Knights Templar having occult practices, and I ran across some pages with a lot of stuff about ritual or ceremonial magic (found out the difference between High and Low Magic there ) and the Kabbalah was mentioned on those pages. I take it that they were in error?
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