05-26-2007, 02:47 PM | #421 |
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Exactly. Interesting story! One of the best switcharoos in history, when Haman was sucking up to the king for recognition for himself, and the king actually meant it for Mordecai!
King: "Oh, that sounds great! Go ahead and do it for Mordecai!" Haman: *Biggest jaw drop in history* Can you just picture the enthusiasm with which Haman said his little line praising Mordecai, as he led the parade thru the streets? Also, I'd say that the cities of refuge would support the idea of self-defense being a different thing.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 05-26-2007 at 02:53 PM. |
05-26-2007, 03:59 PM | #422 | |
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I'll also point out that there's reason to believe that the New Testament counted such 'self-defence' among the things replaced by the "Good News."
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05-26-2007, 04:04 PM | #423 |
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It's not an insurrection - it is approved of by the authorities (including the King). Just because the people are acting in concert does not mean that it must be a war.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Second, it depends on your translation whether John the Baptist says "Don't extort money" or "Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages." "Extort from no man by violence, neither accuse any one wrongfully; and be content with your wages." "Do violence to no one, nor accuse falsely, and be content with your wages." "Smite ye wrongfully no man, neither make ye false challenge, and be ye satisfied with your wages ". He may have assumed (and perhaps incorrectly) that if he was telling people how to be better people he didn't have to review the whole 10 commandments. He didn't tell anyone else they couldn't covet their neighbor's ass, but you assume those rules are current until God (as Jesus) said otherwise.
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I don't care for millenialism, myself, but I must admit that what you propose is an interesting twist on it.
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XVII. Of Predestination and Election. Predestination to Life is the everlasting purpose of God, whereby (before the foundations of the world were laid) he hath constantly decreed by his counsel secret to us, to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath chosen in Christ out of mankind, and to bring them by Christ to everlasting salvation, as vessels made to honour. Wherefore, they which be endued with so excellent a benefit of God, be called according to God's purpose by his Spirit working in due season: they through Grace obey the calling: they be justified freely: they be made sons of God by adoption: they be made like the image of his only-begotten Son Jesus Christ: they walk religiously in good works, and at length, by God's mercy, they attain to everlasting felicity. As the godly consideration of Predestination, and our Election in Christ, is full of sweet, pleasant, and unspeakable comfort to godly persons, and such as feel in themselves the working of the Spirit of Christ, mortifying the works of the flesh, and their earthly members, and drawing up their mind to high and heavenly things, as well because it doth greatly establish and confirm their faith of eternal Salvation to be enjoyed through Christ as because it doth fervently kindle their love towards God: So, for curious and carnal persons, lacking the Spirit of Christ, to have continually before their eyes the sentence of God's Predestination, is a most dangerous downfall, whereby the Devil doth thrust them either into desperation, or into wretchlessness of most unclean living, no less perilous than desperation. Furthermore, we must receive God's promises in such wise, as they be generally set forth to us in Holy Scripture: and, in our doings, that Will of God is to be followed, which we have expressly declared unto us in the Word of God.
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I don't care for millenialism, myself, but I must admit that what you propose is an interesting twist on it; that's like the exact opposite of most interpretations of the Middle Ages that I hear from Revelation. Good on you for that.
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I'm presently somewhat ambivalent as to whether monarchy or democracy is better, for as I see it, either the majority or a king could serve God faithfully and be used by God to rule well. But I know your view is different, and I'm interested now in hearing why you think monarchy is better than democracy. This probably isn't a good thread for that, though. If you have the time, I'd appreciate your explaining this to me in a political thread or over email.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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That's why I brought up the cities of refuge - God commanded that several cities be established for people that killed accidentally - they were allowed to live safely there. I remember things about self-defense, too - there's discussions about how to determine this - but don't have a reference right now. I'll go dig 'em up if no one else comes up with them soon.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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[28] And that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed." Sounds approved to me. No, there is not a sentence that says "God saw, and it was good," but the above, along with the inclusion of Esther as a book of the Bible, makes it quite clear that this is not something to be condemned.
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