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I also, enjoy them, Lizra.
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Because so far every such claim (that PJ said these things) has been third party and I'm not convinced that it's not hearsay.
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#383 |
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Elfhelm, I'll keep my ears open next time I play the commentaries on the FoTR CD - I'm pretty sure I heard PJ (or perhaps Fran or Philippa) say he "improved" it on one of the FoTR commentaries. (I'll sometimes pop the commentaries on when I have a lot of mindless paperwork to do - kind of a nice background - I can hear some interesting stuff, and get a bit of a feeling of Middle Earth, but it doesn't matter if I tune in and out - I don't miss anything important).
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"....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5) |
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Dear Gwaimir, Are these things supposed to be "adaptations" or movies? I just thought they were just movies!
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I'll enlighten you.
They are movies. They are also adaptations of LotR. You first see if it was a good movie, (i.e. was it enjoyable?) then if it was a good adaptation. (i.e. did it capture Tolkien's vision?)
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Wrong.
When bringing a work such as Tolkien's to the screen, the adaptation is /foremost/. If you only wish to make a good film, then by all means do something original. Jackson's films are bad adaptations. They fail in bringing tolkien's work to the screen. The fact that they are also, in many ways, bad movies, only adds to the shame.
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I guess it's "suit yourself" time again!
![]() ![]() ![]() 2. Anything that is changed or changes so as to become suitable to a new or special use or situation. Sounds like there's some leeway here! I see this glass as half full, others half empty. Que sera, sera! Oh, I do see your point GW, movie good, adaptation bad. I'll go with movie great, adaptation fair (as in 'fair enough' for me! ![]()
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![]() Re: the quote about PJ improving upon it for Elfhelm, I found the interview here. From the interview: Quote:
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Lizra-
Of course there's some leeway. Of course there are changes. But jackson has gone beyond anything that can be excused as adaptation. He hasn't tried to make changes so that Tolkien's story would come out better on screen, on the contrary, he made many changes that made the film /worse/ than the alternative.
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I've heard that before!
![]() ![]() In some cases, his changes wern't too hot, in others they worked well. Bottom line for me, I liked the movies, they aren't perfect, but I really enjoyed them none the less! In fact, they were much better than I thought they would be. I hope RoTK is more like FoTR than TTT. I can't wait to see Vigo/Aragorn fulfill his destiny! ahhhh! (and Gollum fulfill his)
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I hope so too.
![]() ![]() Thoughts on the Window on the West for the Extended Edition? Do you think they'll have it? Do you think it would fit in with the revised Faramir? Anything related? ![]()
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I don't understand Gwaimir! It was in TTT....Henneth Annun, caves and hideaway. It's been awhile since I saw that movie, what are you hoping to see? Sorry if I'm being dense here!
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It was?
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I don't like the movies /as movies/. As far as I'm concerned, they're just more of the B-rated trash that jackson has put out all his career. Had it not been for my love of anything eveb remotely tolkien, I would not have gone to see TTT. I might not have even bothered with FOTR. Because they weren't that good. As for 'some his changes not being hot', I answer- /None/ of his changes were for the better. /Some/ of them were absolutely nauseating, again, not only as changes from the the book but as sequences in the film. The ford sequence, I may note again, might have been passable- if /arwen/ had been a main character. As it was, it simply served to show the audience that Frodo was a pathetic weakling with no spine and no courage.
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Aw, that scene where Boromir comes in after arriving at Rivendell, when he first meets Aragorn, picks up the shard of Narsil, cuts himself, hurries off as Aragorn watches, the beautiful murals on the walls, That was wonderful! (IMO)
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Yes, I liked that scene, too, except the part where Boromir calls Aragorn 'friend' (because they're both enemies of the One Enemy) and Aragorn doesn't respond, except with a rather snobbish look. Perhaps they were trying to add 'tension', as they seem to be trying to add alot.
I don't particularly like them as movies, I like them because the good parts (the parts that remind me of Middle Earth and Tolkien's writings) outweigh the bad parts, at least for me. They may not for others. I was re-listening to the director's comments today on the FoTR DVD (great to do while knocking off paperwork) and I do understand many of the changes (I only got as far as them meeting Merry and Pippin in the corn field) as far as what will work in a movie and what won't. For example, the sheer amount of names - in the prologue, they didn't mention Narsil (you can see it is the same sword that shows up in the Rivendell scene Lizra mentioned), let alone the name of Gil-Galad, because they said they thought the sheer amount of names and characters already in the movie was on the verge of being overwhelming. I can understand changes like that. But to me, the wimping down of Frodo and Aragorn was a travesty. Frodo's defiance of the Witch King at the Fords of Bruinen was one of the highlights of the book, IMO ("By Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair," said Frodo with a last effort, lifting up his sword, "you shall have neither the Ring nor me!") In PJs movie, he just oozes green gooey stuff and never defies the Ringwraiths. But I can ignore that, and enjoy the parts that I do like, like I said before. (And Asfaloth, even tho he had the wrong rider, was very pretty! I read a funny bit about Glorfindel back at Rivendell, reading a newspaper and thinking to himself "Ho hum, it's about time to set out to find Frodo," then Arwen zipping by him and grabbing Asfaloth and riding off.)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! ![]() "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 05-02-2003 at 01:41 AM. |
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Yeah...when Boromir says "friend", I get all woozy!
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