08-07-2002, 10:50 PM | #21 | |
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08-10-2002, 12:42 AM | #22 |
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I think the ABBA musical you are referring to is Mamma Mia! and as far as I know it has done actually quite well. As far as using JRRT's lyrics I actually do very little of that as you can see by looking at the Lyrics page on the site. Rather I try to incorporate his prose into my own lyrics and yes I have written my own melodies/music for them. While I I know I risk the wrath of other Tolkien Lovers here, I feel Tolkien's lyrics leave a soemthing to be desired in as far as adapting them to a musical format.
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08-11-2002, 04:13 PM | #23 | |
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It is wonderful to break out into song. It really does relieve stress when you can start singing and not worry about what everyone else thinks. I reccomend a daily dose of song, at least once a day, to relieve unwanted stress and make the world seem a better place.
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08-11-2002, 11:15 PM | #24 |
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Galenavar is a wise Hobbit....and Hobbits are known to break out into song at any moment...
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08-18-2002, 09:44 PM | #25 |
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yes, truly, hama1. does your musical have any good hobbit-songs we could break out into?
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ok, realizing now that this may not be what you had in mind about adapting lyrics at all. clarify? I think Tolkein's songs are quite good.... i've played some of them on the guitar myself.
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08-19-2002, 12:05 AM | #27 |
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Played them on the guitar? To what music? Or did you let your own creativity and love of Tolkien inspire you to develop your own melodies?
As far a s Tolkien's shortcomings as a lyricist I would suggest that most of his lyrics use a simple A.B.B.A OR A.B.A.B. rhyme scheme. Are some of his metaphors powerful yes but ingeneral it is rather simple stuff...but then he wasn't trying to write for musicals and was probably trying to stay within the dialectic of the lanbguage structure that infused his work. |
08-20-2002, 08:36 PM | #28 |
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ok, i see what you mean. simple rhyming structure in a musical would make the audience go to sleep.
i make up my own melodies when playing Tolkein's songs on the guitar.... have to have some part of it be original, right? have you looked at the "I made a song" thread in the books forum? as a lyricist you would probably be interested. for those songs we have to use already existing tunes so other people know what the song is supposed to sound like, although i don't know why we bother, because no one ever knows the songs we're using anyway
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08-24-2002, 12:36 AM | #29 |
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I haven't checked out "I made a song" but I will, I will.
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09-05-2002, 04:57 PM | #30 |
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09-16-2002, 08:19 AM | #32 |
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Haha. Yes. The musical Buffy was quite, erm, individual...
I like it!
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09-16-2002, 09:59 PM | #33 |
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"Bunnies... it must be *bunnies*!!!" <entmooters blink and run in the other direction.>
Uh, yeah.
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09-24-2002, 10:50 AM | #34 |
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We're doing 'HONK!' at the moment...
It's such a great show. I don't think it would work with LoTR, though it would be interesting to try and fit in as many puns as possible. It could be very funny...
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09-24-2002, 07:36 PM | #35 |
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Not too crazy about musicals, but I love opera... I would be first in line to see LotR as an opera. Of course, any one ever see Wagner's Ring Cycle? Not the same story, but it certainly shares many of the same themes. Most of the musicals that I've seen simply don't have the depth and scope of opera... And you need plenty of both for Tolkien.
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09-26-2002, 12:28 AM | #36 |
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Hasty,
Thank you for the post...and I agree...LotR would be wonderful as an opera. Unfortunately or perhaps not, I have no pretentious of greatness. I write musicals. However, as for depth and scope in musicals, have you ever seen Les Miz, Miss Saigon or Ragtime? |
09-27-2002, 07:51 PM | #37 |
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Hello hama1,
Les Miz is the only one of the three I saw, and I hated it. A great story, but the production was so over the top I found myself watching the flying scenery (and mentally calculating the budget) instead of entering the world of Victor Hugo. I wouldn't mind seeing Miss Saigon or Ragtime, but it seems that these productions (as well as anything Andrew Lloyd Weber produces) are wildly expensive. When I do go to theater I try to go to small local productions mounted on shoestring budgets. That seems to leave the success of the play up to the script and the actors (!!!) instead of whether there is enough money to bring in a helicopter. All too often big budget musicals rely on the flash of the set to appeal to audiences (much like Hollywood blockbusters). PS And what's this about no pretention to greatness? You should, no, you must aspire to greatness no matter what you do. After all, isn't every creative endeavor about transcendence?
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09-27-2002, 10:11 PM | #38 |
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Hasty Ent, the fancy-schmancy production of Les Miserables you saw sounds like the one I saw in New York, with a rotating hydraulics set. It was a bit showy, but the actors were so terrific that the set didn't bother me.
However, I agree; I love local plays/musicals. My school has a really wonderful drama program. We win a lot of awards. I'm not actually involved with drama, but I'm a groupie; I go to all the productions. In fact, after seeing my school's version of Guys and Dolls and a commercial production, I actually preferred a few of the actors from my high school! The simplicity definitely adds to the show and helps you to appreciate the talent of everyone involved.
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09-29-2002, 01:46 AM | #39 |
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Hasty,
As for my pretentions...I was simply trying to say that I do not feel I could write an opera...I write musicals. Actualy I do not think Les MIz has any "flying" set elements but rather the rotating sets that Galadriel refers to...although no hydraulics...the rotating stage relies on a huge chain and the movement of the set peices that are driven onto the stage rely on electronics not hydraulics...(admittedly a minor point). However, the relative granduer of the set I envision for The One Ring is dependent on the story,; how else to bring The Mines of Moria or the Battle of Pellonor Fields etc., to the stage, rather than trying to bring the audience in because of a set. I think in some scenes, the story demands it. Just FYI, I believe the original capitalization for Les Miz was something in the area of $8 million. The One Ring will probably be double that. |
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